Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

[Happy Days]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

It was not simply due to age.

The opposition coaches paid him respect in the 2 games leading up to the Richmond game. They put the best tall defender on him, knowing he is a star and the only tall potential goal kicker. In the Carlton game Jones (with support) kept Naughton (who had to stand alone) to 2 marks.

Where were RichmondÂ’s best tall defenders. Never got closer than 100 metres because they were in the grandstand.

Once our coaches get over this win their priority must be doing what many forum contributors have pointed out - protect Naughton and give him the support on the ground that he deserves.

You know it's allowed to be fun sometimes right?

[hujsh]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

Because he’s 19. Too many don’t seem to understand that young players are going to have flat games, quiet patches. That’s simply due to age. You can’t possibly expect top flight performance week in, week out from a 19 year old. It is unfair on them, and unrealistic. He was terrific last night and fully deserves the accolades.

He also doesn't exactly have a ton of experience as a forward and knowledge of how to work though various defensive techniques. He has some insight as a defender and he has his raw skillset but there's still clearly so much for him to learn

[AndrewP6]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

It was not simply due to age.

The opposition coaches paid him respect in the 2 games leading up to the Richmond game. They put the best tall defender on him, knowing he is a star and the only tall potential goal kicker. In the Carlton game Jones (with support) kept Naughton (who had to stand alone) to 2 marks.

Where were RichmondÂ’s best tall defenders. Never got closer than 100 metres because they were in the grandstand.

Once our coaches get over this win their priority must be doing what many forum contributors have pointed out - protect Naughton and give him the support on the ground that he deserves.

At the risk of sounding like a child - yes it was. The rest of your post does nothing to answer that. Fact is, 19 year old players will go through lean patches. Richmond having players out doesn't take away from what he was able to do. Giving him support won't change the fact he is 19, and young players don't always perform at a consistent level.

[GVGjr]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

It was not simply due to age.

The opposition coaches paid him respect in the 2 games leading up to the Richmond game. They put the best tall defender on him, knowing he is a star and the only tall potential goal kicker. In the Carlton game Jones (with support) kept Naughton (who had to stand alone) to 2 marks.

Where were RichmondÂ’s best tall defenders. Never got closer than 100 metres because they were in the grandstand.

Once our coaches get over this win their priority must be doing what many forum contributors have pointed out - protect Naughton and give him the support on the ground that he deserves.

While I agree we must look out for Naughton and provide him with support I also think making injury excuses for the opposition to explain a loss is as pointless as it is when we make them to explain why we lost.
Very rarely does the best 22 for each team play against each other.

[Bornadog]

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While I agree we must look out for Naughton and provide him with support I also think making injury excuses for the opposition to explain a loss is as pointless as it is when we make them to explain why we lost.
Very rarely does the best 22 for each team play against each other.

Hardwick said they could have had Jesus Christ on him and they couldn't have stopped his high marking

[Danjul]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

While I agree we must look out for Naughton and provide him with support I also think making injury excuses for the opposition to explain a loss is as pointless as it is when we make them to explain why we lost.
Very rarely does the best 22 for each team play against each other.

No one is making excuses for Richmond’s loss, I am glad they did and I don’t care what caused it! No one is reducing the Dogs great win in any way

What I did was state a fact that was predicted in this forum, and point out how it gives insight into future strategies that might make great wins more frequent than they have been.

I am sorry if a simple observation that the selectors have not been giving developing players a sensible support structure offends so many.

[Danjul]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

You know it's allowed to be fun sometimes right?

Who says it’s not fun? I certainly enjoyed being there and all the Dogs supporters I know are still on a high.

Who doesn’t want to maximise the fun? Who doesn’t want the fun to continue for the rest of the season?

Stating relevant facts does nothing to reduce the enjoyment and its only downside is it could lead to overdosing on fun. We deserve it.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

No one is making excuses for Richmond’s loss, I am glad they did and I don’t care what caused it! No one is reducing the Dogs great win in any way

What I did was state a fact that was predicted in this forum, and point out how it gives insight into future strategies that might make great wins more frequent than they have been.

I am sorry if a simple observation that the selectors have not been giving developing players a sensible support structure offends so many.

Compressed down, I think you are asking that every head coach and oppo tactics coach/manager now has to 'second man up' Naughton and/or play a loose man in front of him. So then what is our response to (a) help Naughton deal with this new, foreign, physical attention as he develops and (b) what is tactical response to this, if Naughton is drawing a crowd; is it to add another KPF to spread defences, or making sure our extra is doing something other than clogging up space. Is this the question?

[comrade]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

Compressed down, I think you are asking that every head coach and oppo tactics coach/manager now has to 'second man up' Naughton and/or play a loose man in front of him. So then what is our response to (a) help Naughton deal with this new, foreign, physical attention as he develops and (b) what is tactical response to this, if Naughton is drawing a crowd; is it to add another KPF to spread defences, or making sure our extra is doing something other than clogging up space. Is this the question?

If Naughton is getting double teamed, kick it to Bont.

What do I win?

[Twodogs]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

Sorry to burst your euphoria bubble but, didnÂ’t you notice who Richmond had missing?

That said, it was a great win in two ways.

1. It gives the supporters some hope and
2. It shows the selection committee what leads to a win.

Kicking instead of handball works, as naysayers have been saying for years - 240 kicks opens up the game, allows teammates to run into position. Only the second time in 50 games.

Having a big body on a tall opposition forward works. Confirms it should have been done against Carlton as the naysayers said.

Naughton had a magnificent game but why does that follow 2 goalless games and 3 goals in 5 games? The naysayers have been giving the answer in these threads all year. It will be interesting to see if the selectors know which levers to pull to keep the goals flowing.

Enjoy the win and look forward to some more, but keep giving constructive advice. The club still needs naysayers.

On the other hand Richmond's performances were vastly overrated in 17/18 because they have barely had an injury and the year they won their flag they got 3 soft kills in a row set up for them on their homeground instead of the pressure of finals.

I can guarantee that you that if a few other clubs got the easy conditions that Richmond were presented with in 2017 that they would have won a few more flags along the way.

And one more prediction while I am at it. Tom Lynch's recruitment will be a disaster for them. He's one of the biggest sooks I have ever seen play the game and if he's sitting back on a million per year and providing soft efforts like that then his teammates are going to (rightfully) start asking questions about why a guy who has achieved nothing is bought in on a higher wage than the majority of a premiership squad...

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

If Naughton is getting double teamed, kick it to Bont.

What do I win?

Maybe that's a reason to give Bonts a bit more time forward. If there's genuine threats along side him, Bonts, fit and in form Boyd & Schache then the spread is good. If the second man is coming off say Dunkley (or resting mid, not a huge threat and Dunkley should be in the guts where he was born to play) or Dickson (who has lost some pace) etc, then Naughton should expect a lot of attention. How exactly we try to work that to our advantage is going to be interesting.

[macca]

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On the other hand Richmond's performances were vastly overrated in 17/18 because they have barely had an injury and the year they won their flag they got 3 soft kills in a row set up for them on their homeground instead of the pressure of finals.

I can guarantee that you that if a few other clubs got the easy conditions that Richmond were presented with in 2017 that they would have won a few more flags along the way.

And one more prediction while I am at it. Tom Lynch's recruitment will be a disaster for them. He's one of the biggest sooks I have ever seen play the game and if he's sitting back on a million per year and providing soft efforts like that then his teammates are going to (rightfully) start asking questions about why a guy who has achieved nothing is bought in on a higher wage than the majority of a premiership squad...

I give it 12 months and could see players going to other clubs if they miss the 8. Richmond has no depth , and it’s been severely exposed without : rance, cotchin, astbury and even grigg . If I was astbury I would be filthy , his more important .
Just see where sydney is now and how many payers they have lost due to salary cap pressures from Franklin ( but his a star)

Castagna and Dan butler are 2 players I would not mind chasing . Very clean and quick small forwards

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

Bevo said we still are letting the ball out of the forward line too easily. I don't know whether another tall would fix that. If they were a good mark maybe yes.

[ratsmac]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

Naughton had 2 quiet weeks as a 19yr old KPF. It happens. Lynch just had a 5 possession no goal game as a 26yr old on a million bucks. It happens.

[ratsmac]

Re: Three things I have learned R7 V Richmond

1. Naughton could actually be a Coleman medalist one day.

2. Crozier a super player. His defensive work is fantastic and then he sets up us going forward.

3. When we take our chances in front of goal we can kick a winning score. I did know this once upon a time but I forgot.