Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

[Mofra]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

Our mids are dominating games, we are delivering into the forward line as the marks inside 50 indicates (top 3).

Our problem has been defending.

We've generally been in the bottom 3 for converting inside 50s into goals for the year, it's also a valid concern.

[Danjul]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

Our mids are dominating games, we are delivering into the forward line as the marks inside 50 indicates (top 3).

Our problem has been defending.

I think (and I am open to correction) that we have lost a few games where we have had equal or more shots at goal.

On Saturday Dickson kicked a goal from the 50 metre arc. Dunkley missed (again) from half the distance and a better angle, I refuse to believe that he cannot fix this. Someone at the club must be able to help him (and others).

[Danjul]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

Where does English play? And if you’re thinking forward can we fit all of Naughton, Schache and English in the same forwardlibe?

If the team has room for a dozen half backs I’m sure it’s got to room for a tall to help English. If English had 10 minutes a quarter he might dominate that 10 minutes. Opposition never has 2 ruckmen better than him.

[GVGjr]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

I think (and I am open to correction) that we have lost a few games where we have had equal or more shots at goal.

On Saturday Dickson kicked a goal from the 50 metre arc. Dunkley missed (again) from half the distance and a better angle, I refuse to believe that he cannot fix this. Someone at the club must be able to help him (and others).

Yep, goal kicking accuracy is fixable. I haven't heard a compelling argument to say that it isn't
We have the playing list and a good coach and once we fix the accuracy by just 10% we will be a force.
Players like Dunkley will also be dead set superstars of the competition if he starts converting more set shots from 35 or 40mtrs out

[Mantis]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

If the team has room for a dozen half backs I’m sure it’s got to room for a tall to help English. If English had 10 minutes a quarter he might dominate that 10 minutes. Opposition never has 2 ruckmen better than him.

You didn’t answer the question.

And are you sure Sweet will be able to mix it up with the elite ruckman of the competition?

[Bornadog]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

We've generally been in the bottom 3 for converting inside 50s into goals for the year, it's also a valid concern.

I know it is a problem, but a good one to have, as we are getting the ball in there.

[Bornadog]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

You didn’t answer the question.

And are you sure Sweet will be able to mix it up with the elite ruckman of the competition?

I think Sweet is way off AFL standard at this stage.

[hujsh]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

I think Sweet is way off AFL standard at this stage.

I think 99% of the world agrees with you there

[Danjul]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

You didn’t answer the question.

And are you sure Sweet will be able to mix it up with the elite ruckman of the competition?

My point is English is being massacred by the elite ruckmen, so badly that it totally minimises his contribution and we lose games.

we have seen Trengove, Cordy, Naughton, Dunkley and Schache moved into the ruck during games. Always with the result of destabilising the position they move from. Schache is currently our best forward, What do we gain from him totally wasting his time in the ruck?

So in answer to your question, ** Will Sweet be able to mix it up with the elite ruckman of the competition? **

I say he doesn’t have to.

His role is to give English the opportunity to remain productive, prevent key position players being destabilised, get a dozen hitouts, prevent the opposition getting some hitouts to advantage and maybe getting half a dozen possessions.

Might he have more impact than Richards at the moment? From what I read here the only answer is yes.

As I see it this ruck problem is the main reason for the team’s ladder position. Without it we would be in the finals.

[Bornadog]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

My point is English is being massacred by the elite ruckmen, so badly that it totally minimises his contribution and we lose games.

we have seen Trengove, Cordy, Naughton, Dunkley and Schache moved into the ruck during games. Always with the result of destabilising the position they move from. Schache is currently our best forward, What do we gain from him totally wasting his time in the ruck?

So in answer to your question, ** Will Sweet be able to mix it up with the elite ruckman of the competition? **

I say he doesn’t have to.

His role is to give English the opportunity to remain productive, prevent key position players being destabilised, get a dozen hitouts, prevent the opposition getting some hitouts to advantage and maybe getting half a dozen possessions.

Might he have more impact than Richards at the moment? From what I read here the only answer is yes.

As I see it this ruck problem is the main reason for the team’s ladder position. Without it we would be in the finals.

The second ruck needs to not only contribute in the ruck, which no doubt Sweet may be able to do, but also contribute around the ground. What does Sweet do when he is not in the ruck? He is not good enough as a first ruck or second ruck. Schache only goes into the ruck to give English a breather for 5 minutes here and there.

I know you keep saying the ruck is the problem and that is why we have lost games, but I can't agree. You need to delve deeper.

[Danjul]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

The second ruck needs to not only contribute in the ruck, which no doubt Sweet may be able to do, but also contribute around the ground. What does Sweet do when he is not in the ruck? He is not good enough as a first ruck or second ruck. Schache only goes into the ruck to give English a breather for 5 minutes here and there.

I know you keep saying the ruck is the problem and that is why we have lost games, but I can't agree. You need to delve deeper.

I am absolutely certain that the Club’s predicament is largely a result of ruck mismanagement. We could be doing better with the players we have. When Schache goes into the ruck his contribution is reduced to zero, the forward line loses out significantly. Poor goal kicking has also minimised our success so why remove the best goal kicker for 15 minutes?

How did Gardner go straight into the team when Sweet has to be perfect to be considered? Sweet doesn’t have to play in every game, it depends on who they are playing.

Anyway, when you delve deeper what solution do you find that is better than mine?

[Danjul]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

I know it is a problem, but a good one to have, as we are getting the ball in there.

This is professional sport. No problem is a good one to have.

No business survives by dismissing problems, they must be solved when detected.

The whole justification for support staff is to remove problems. I’m assuming they are working 100% to improve the accuracy and distance for the forwards. But it is still enough of a problem to cost games.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

I am absolutely certain that the Club’s predicament is largely a result of ruck mismanagement. We could be doing better with the players we have. When Schache goes into the ruck his contribution is reduced to zero, the forward line loses out significantly. Poor goal kicking has also minimised our success so why remove the best goal kicker for 15 minutes?

How did Gardner go straight into the team when Sweet has to be perfect to be considered? Sweet doesn’t have to play in every game, it depends on who they are playing.

Anyway, when you delve deeper what solution do you find that is better than mine?

Gardner was clearly brought into the team because they believed he could defend McGovern better than anyone else.

If Sweet comes into the side we lose a lot of mobility. He has yet to show that he can contribute outside of the ruck contest. Although it does seem that he last 2 games indicate improvement.

Against Port both Schache and Naughton (particularly) contributed when on ball giving English a spell.

[Danjul]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

Gardner was clearly brought into the team because they believed he could defend McGovern better than anyone else.

If Sweet comes into the side we lose a lot of mobility. He has yet to show that he can contribute outside of the ruck contest. Although it does seem that he last 2 games indicate improvement.

Against Port both Schache and Naughton (particularly) contributed when on ball giving English a spell.

Naughton yes. Excellent ruck work after a disastrous first half on the forward line. But obviously not best use of him for the team.

Schache no. Should never go near the ruck. Gets 1 hitout but robs the forward line for 15 minutes. He is a specialist forward. Should never train players to be beaten.

Sweet isn’t a perfect solution but there could be significant upside for the team.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Our game plan / style / tactics are solid

I see what danjul is saying. The ruck is an ongoing issue for us - there’s no disputing that, particularly against strong first rucks. The best we can hope for most weeks is to break even.

I don’t like Schache going into the ruck just like I didnt like Boyd rucking as much as he did. Schache in particular is no ruck; if he needs to get into the game he should play as a high forward but rucking him doesn’t achieve much.

Naughton can play anywhere with his leap but putting him in the ruck to get smashed around is a poor long term move. Simply must play FF or CHB.

We don’t have the answer yet - can we recruit a first ruck and use English more forward or can we recruit a second ruck who plays multiple positions? The former seems a more likely option.

At some stage this year we should give Sweet a taste though - despite how far off he may be - he needs to find out what it takes at AFl level and we need to find out how far off he actually is.