Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

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  • Ghost Dog
    WOOF Member
    • May 2010
    • 9404

    #16
    Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

    Originally posted by Danjul
    Williams had 15, 16, 16, 17, 17, 17, 19 = 117 possessions in 7 games before he was dropped.
    Crozier had 13, 14, 14, 14, 15, 16, 19 in his last 7 games before Williams was dropped.
    Richards had 6, 7, 9, 9, 12, 12, 23 = 78 possessions in 7 games at the same time.

    Williams usually kicks the ball.

    Is he really that bad? What is going on?
    Can't be worse than Cordy at the moment or Trengrove. Jackson and Zaine both look really down on confidence with the ball in hand. Williams took the game on a fair bit last time. Encouraged by what I saw.
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    • azabob
      Hall of Fame
      • Sep 2008
      • 15210

      #17
      Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

      Originally posted by Ghost Dog
      Can't be worse than Cordy at the moment or Trengrove. Jackson and Zaine both look really down on confidence with the ball in hand. Williams took the game on a fair bit last time. Encouraged by what I saw.
      Problem is Williams isn’t a replacement for either Trengrove or Cordy.
      More of an In Bruges guy?

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      • Nuggety Back Pocket
        WOOF Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 2064

        #18
        Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

        Originally posted by Danjul
        Williams had 15, 16, 16, 17, 17, 17, 19 = 117 possessions in 7 games before he was dropped.
        Crozier had 13, 14, 14, 14, 15, 16, 19 in his last 7 games before Williams was dropped.
        Richards had 6, 7, 9, 9, 12, 12, 23 = 78 possessions in 7 games at the same time.

        Williams usually kicks the ball.

        Is he really that bad? What is going on?
        Richards was terrific last year in defence and should be played in his rightful position particularly given our shaky back line today. Williams has the ability with his long kicking to be a valuable addition to our midfield.

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        • Ghost Dog
          WOOF Member
          • May 2010
          • 9404

          #19
          Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

          Originally posted by azabob
          Problem is Williams isn’t a replacement for either Trengrove or Cordy.
          That depends on who he would play against. Against Essendon I think we could get away with replacing Cordy with Williams
          He's taller than McGrath and Snelling.
          But really, I am just super disappointed in our backline tonight ( bar Crozier. He is so fun to watch) and perhaps clutching at straws.
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          • Missing Dog
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8501

            #20
            Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

            Originally posted by Mantis
            Suckling was given a game today.
            I think there is a few that are given games just quietly.

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            • GVGjr
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 44330

              #21
              Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

              Originally posted by bornadog
              Had 11 disposals today in the VFL - he is out of form
              Wood had 12 today and has averaged about that all year and is regarded as good enough. I'm not sure stats matter that much with some of the selections
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              • Bornadog
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                • Jan 2007
                • 66169

                #22
                Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

                Originally posted by GVGjr
                Wood had 12 today and has averaged about that all year and is regarded as good enough. I'm not sure stats matter that much with some of the selections
                Different roles.

                Wood looked a little lost out there at times, I am not sure what he as doing.
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                • hujsh
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 11832

                  #23
                  Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

                  Having played without injury this year it will be very interesting and revealing to see if Wood makes the top 10 in the B&F. Given his experience and leadership position that's the minimum you'd expect.
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                  • MrMahatma
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 3966

                    #24
                    Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

                    Originally posted by hujsh
                    Having played without injury this year it will be very interesting and revealing to see if Wood makes the top 10 in the B&F. Given his experience and leadership position that's the minimum you'd expect.
                    Flat out can’t be captain next year. Is a fringe player and should be treated as such. That said, our defence struggles... so we have little choice but to play him.

                    I’d bin Suckling for Duryea and make no other chances.

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                    • Bornadog
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                      • Jan 2007
                      • 66169

                      #25
                      Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

                      Originally posted by MrMahatma
                      I’d bin Suckling for Duryea and make no other changes.
                      Hopefully Duryea is ok. The only other change could be to bring Rhylee West in, for Richards.
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                      • Rocket Science
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 4850

                        #26
                        Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

                        How do we feel about Toby's chances of keeping his spot?

                        He was a passenger today with one deplorable effort in particular that helped cost us.

                        Blokes bugger up but he just seems to be treading water at the moment. Certainly not nearing anything close to what he can do, nor what we particularly need with a season on the line. We're a bigger handful with him at his wily best.

                        I'm guessing we'll back him against the filth but you wonder if Westy comes back into the frame at his expense.
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                        • GVGjr
                          Moderator
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 44330

                          #27
                          Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Different roles.

                          Wood looked a little lost out there at times, I am not sure what he as doing.
                          Really?

                          Wood plays very few decent games, in my opinion the bar is certainly lower for him than many others
                          He's continues to escape a reasonable level of scrutiny and has for most of his career
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                          • Bornadog
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                            • Jan 2007
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                            #28
                            Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

                            Originally posted by GVGjr
                            Really?

                            Wood plays very few decent games, in my opinion the bar is certainly lower for him than many others
                            He's continues to escape a reasonable level of scrutiny and has for most of his career
                            So you think Williams and Wood play the same role? I think they should, but Wood's role is way different having to play on taller players and constantly go the punch (no stat for that).

                            Wood has been good and bad this year, not consistent, but he has had to play a lot deeper than previous years and I think it really doesn't suit him.
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                            • The Underdog
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 6802

                              #29
                              Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

                              Originally posted by Danjul
                              Williams had 15, 16, 16, 17, 17, 17, 19 = 117 possessions in 7 games before he was dropped.
                              Crozier had 13, 14, 14, 14, 15, 16, 19 in his last 7 games before Williams was dropped.
                              Richards had 6, 7, 9, 9, 12, 12, 23 = 78 possessions in 7 games at the same time.

                              Williams usually kicks the ball.

                              Is he really that bad? What is going on?
                              If you're comparing Willaims and Crozier's contributions based on possessions then you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a believer in Williams ability but Crozier is a *!*!*!*!ing mile ahead of him
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                              • Danjul
                                WOOF Member
                                • Apr 2019
                                • 1601

                                #30
                                Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 21, Vs Essendon

                                Originally posted by The Underdog
                                If you're comparing Willaims and Crozier's contributions based on possessions then you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a believer in Williams ability but Crozier is a *!*!*!*!ing mile ahead of him
                                How exactly?

                                I like both, but since Crozier cost us the game against Freo the first time I have noticed that he makes significant mistakes.

                                The occasional pack mark doesn’t make up for them.

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