Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

[Ozza]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

Our midfield is the best in the AFL.
Young and Cordy doing well, sterner test against Jeremy Cameron in 2 weeks.
We need more from McLean and Richards, can't afford any passengers in the finals.

I'm probably not as critical as others on Richards and McLean's games yesterday. Neither had big numbers, but McLean's 2 goals both came off the back of Adelaide kicking 2 in a row, and so swung things back our way. And Richards' defensive running has really lifted a cog which I think is why he has stayed in the team this time around.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

1. Lewis Young might have arrived

2. Will be a hard 22 to change for the next game

3. You can get sunburnt in Ballarat in August when the temperature doesn’t even reach double figures

I call bullshit on number 3, cant even get sunburnt in Noosa at the moment. It was not the sun but windburn from the speed of our youngsters moving the ball around.

[Webby]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

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I call bullshit on number 3, cant even get sunburnt in Noosa at the moment. It was not the sun but windburn from the speed of our youngsters moving the ball around.

The sun is as high in the sky in late August as it is is in April. If you spend an afternoon facing into the sun, you can definitely get sun-kissed at this time of year.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

1. Lewis Young might have arrived

2. Will be a hard 22 to change for the next game

3. You can get sunburnt in Ballarat in August when the temperature doesn’t even reach double figures

Sure it wasn't wind burn TPM?

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

Loved that our mids were turned on from the first bounce. Made a huge difference.

Suckers toe poke on the wrong foot was sublime. He is in rare form. Keep him down back.

Again Dureya was important down back. Appears to be the general.

[Bornadog]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

Thanks for answering on BADs behalf...

Ozza specifically mentioned 3 core midfielders and Schache, Dunkley being one of the midfielders.

It’s ok to admit the coaches got things wrong in the first half the year but have clearly got a lot right post the bye.

I don't bemoan coaches moving around players to try something new, whether we can start bagging coaches for that is another thing. Plenty of moves have actually worked, some haven't.

Clearly Dunks is better full time in the midfield, but that is one player, yes it didn't work, so what. Guys like Schache, Young had to go back to the VFL because the effort wasn't there. The Collingwood match where he had 4 disposals and was afraid to leap for the ball in front of a pack was a disgrace. Someone mentioned, well Gowers only had 5 disposals, but the difference is the effort, Gowers tries hard, but he is just short of being a good player.

We have spoked about this a few times. The first half we leaked too many goals and didn't defend all over the ground, very well. The mids are now better at two way running, and the backline has now gelled together and playing as a unit.

I still maintain, overall for the YEAR, the coaches have been very good.

[Mofra]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

I don't bemoan coaches moving around players to try something new, whether we can start bagging coaches for that is another thing. Plenty of moves have actually worked, some haven't.

Clearly Dunks is better full time in the midfield, but that is one player, yes it didn't work, so what. Guys like Schache, Young had to go back to the VFL because the effort wasn't there. The Collingwood match where he had 4 disposals and was afraid to leap for the ball in front of a pack was a disgrace. Someone mentioned, well Gowers only had 5 disposals, but the difference is the effort, Gowers tries hard, but he is just short of being a good player.

We have spoked about this a few times. The first half we leaked too many goals and didn't defend all over the ground, very well. The mids are now better at two way running, and the backline has now gelled together and playing as a unit.

I still maintain, overall for the YEAR, the coaches have been very good.

I think Bevo did more than just started playing Dunks in the middle.
Since 2015 we've been set on playing 1-2 midfielders as forwards who can rotate through the centre. Since the bye we are far more likely to play five full time forwards with just one rotating forward (often Bailey Smith, although Schache does relief ruckwork too).

It's no coincidence our scoring has improved dramatically since this switch. It's almost like full time forwards make better forwards.

[Bornadog]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

I think Bevo did more than just started playing Dunks in the middle.
Since 2015 we've been set on playing 1-2 midfielders as forwards who can rotate through the centre. Since the bye we are far more likely to play five full time forwards with just one rotating forward (often Bailey Smith, although Schache does relief ruckwork too).

It's no coincidence our scoring has improved dramatically since this switch. It's almost like full time forwards make better forwards.

and that is good coaching, changing things up.

The mids back in 2015/16 were not mature, they were very young, so we rotated many players through there. As you say, we have now changed because we can, with guys like Macrae, Bont, Dunks with more mature bodies.

[Topdog]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

I'd argue we didn't have full time forwards for the past 3 years. I thought Boyd should have just been left forward but we were winning games without much output from forwards.

[Bullies]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

1. Ballarat is a great place to watch the footy standing on the wing. So close to the action and gives you a different perspective than on the TV or at the larger venues.
2. Some on the forum have doubted Richards and McLean but they needed to be at the ground to see how much they ran and linked up. They also both applied enormous pressure. they are given roles to play. Not everyone has to get 30/40 p's. Crouch had 50 and did little damage.
3. We will give it a hell of a shake this year.

[Mitcha]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

1. The belief and mindset were on from the first bounce yesterday, everyone bought into what was needed and put the game to bed early.
2. We know Bailey Smith has had an incredible first season and will only get better but I also believe Rhylee West will be a 200 gamer for the club adding even more depth to the best crop of youngsters in the comp.
3. Bailey Dale just needed some continuity to showcase his forward craft and should become a consistent 40 goals a year type, has left Gowers for dead and never to be seen again other than at VFL level.

One thing the umpires have not learnt but need to.
Aaron Naughton is a run and jump marker and thus does not engage the body in a marking contest so if there is holding, scragging or any type of body contact it is started by the defender so please open your eyes and let him get a free run at the ball as you do with Tom Hawkins or Ben Brown. Naughton cops it every week but doesn't get the protection the other two get. Needs to change.

[comrade]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

One thing the umpires have not learnt but need to.
Aaron Naughton is a run and jump marker and thus does not engage the body in a marking contest so if there is holding, scragging or any type of body contact it is started by the defender so please open your eyes and let him get a free run at the ball as you do with Tom Hawkins or Ben Brown. Naughton cops it every week but doesn't get the protection the other two get. Needs to change.

Having 2 of the biggest whingers to ever coach the game has helped Hawkins & Brown.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

Having 2 of the biggest whingers to ever coach the game has helped Hawkins & Brown.

If that means Naughton gets a fair go then Bevo should start whinging.

[GVGjr]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

Whilst I think Bevo and the other coaches are coaching very well now - that doesn't excuse the missteps of the first half of the year.
Of course the players are also responsible, but the amazing second half of the year doesn't excuse the underperformance of the first half of the year.

The difference in the team since we've had Bont, Macrae and Dunks as 100% midfield, Schache in the side, and started actually picking tall defenders - has been enormous.

I agree, if we are going to pat the coaches and MC on the back when things are going well then we need to be questioning why that wasn't happening earlier in the season. We ignored players with the form and we played some players out of position early on.

Too many people are all too keen to celebrate success but just not willing to look deep enough when we come up short.

[The bulldog tragician]

Re: Three things you have learned-round 23 v Adelaide Crows at Mars Stadium 2019

and that is good coaching, changing things up.

The mids back in 2015/16 were not mature, they were very young, so we rotated many players through there. As you say, we have now changed because we can, with guys like Macrae, Bont, Dunks with more mature bodies.

Earlier this year Macrae was often at half forward for the centre bounce. He didn’t look comfortable. I’m curious whether the more settled and effective midfield has come about fortuitously because of the injuries to Wallis and Libba. Rotating them through as well didn’t seem to make us better (Gowers too in middle sometimes). Whatever the reason I always feel relief to see JMac and Bont together in there. Didn’t they work together beautifully on the weekend.