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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 65805

    Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

    Originally posted by angelopetraglia
    On any measure. Impossible to defend Bruce’s game tonight.
    and I am not defending him that is for sure.

    He was rubbish tonight and I am beginning to wonder if we made a blunder in recruitment.
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    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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    • Bornadog
      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
      • Jan 2007
      • 65805

      Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

      JJ very emotional after the game

      FFC: Established 1883

      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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      • angelopetraglia
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Nov 2008
        • 6759

        Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

        Originally posted by bornadog
        and I am not defending him that is for sure.

        He was rubbish tonight and I am beginning to wonder if we made a blunder in recruitment.
        It’s difficult to judge on a season that is just crazy by any measure. But the key stats don’t look good for him.

        -11 goals in 10 games (six of those in a single game).
        -3.3 kicks per game average
        -2.2 marks per game average

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        • Bornadog
          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
          • Jan 2007
          • 65805

          Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

          Originally posted by angelopetraglia
          It’s difficult to judge on a season that is just crazy by any measure. But the key stats don’t look good for him.

          -11 goals in 10 games (six of those in a single game).
          -3.3 kicks per game average
          -2.2 marks per game average
          He was the 5th highest contested mark last year. He is over weight, can't jump anymore and out of form. I will give him one thing, he is not lazy and doesn't lack effort, gives 100% but it is not working for him.
          FFC: Established 1883

          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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          • Sedat
            Hall of Fame
            • Sep 2007
            • 11085

            Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

            Originally posted by bornadog
            JJ very emotional after the game

            Bevo in his presser very pointedly made a reference to the JJ handball howler late in the 2nd qtr completely changing momentum of the game. I wonder if he gave JJ a big cook after the game that resulted in this outpouring of emotion.
            "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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            • Danjul
              WOOF Member
              • Apr 2019
              • 1601

              Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

              Originally posted by bornadog
              and I am not defending him that is for sure.

              He was rubbish tonight and I am beginning to wonder if we made a blunder in recruitment.
              Bruce is a distraction.

              How is it the forward line can’t kick goals? Because there is no coordination between the forwards , or between the midfield and the forwards.

              So what has to change? The way the ball is kicked and where it’s kicked. Also, how often it’s kicked.

              Then give each player a specific role based on their talent. For example, Dale has never been a play maker. His talent is to find space, receive the ball and kick goals from 35-45 metres. That gives 20 goals in 5 games. But we have played him in a way that might give an occasional goal.

              We have only one player who can make a goal out of nothing and that’s Wallis. The rest have to be used better.

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              • FrediKanoute
                Coaching Staff
                • Aug 2007
                • 3807

                Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

                Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                It’s difficult to judge on a season that is just crazy by any measure. But the key stats don’t look good for him.

                -11 goals in 10 games (six of those in a single game).
                -3.3 kicks per game average
                -2.2 marks per game average
                He kicked 6 with Schache playing next to him. He looked far more effective when naughts was out there (if anything Naughton was struggling). He was never the sole key forward at the Saints and GWS. He was always a player who worked best as a tandem.

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                • FrediKanoute
                  Coaching Staff
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 3807

                  Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

                  Originally posted by Danjul
                  Bruce is a distraction.

                  How is it the forward line can’t kick goals? Because there is no coordination between the forwards , or between the midfield and the forwards.

                  So what has to change? The way the ball is kicked and where it’s kicked. Also, how often it’s kicked.

                  Then give each player a specific role based on their talent. For example, Dale has never been a play maker. His talent is to find space, receive the ball and kick goals from 35-45 metres. That gives 20 goals in 5 games. But we have played him in a way that might give an occasional goal.

                  We have only one player who can make a goal out of nothing and that’s Wallis. The rest have to be used better.
                  Again I agree. Much as Gowers was a distraction last week. This game was lost at the selection table. The decision not to play another tall makes us one dimensional.

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                  • angelopetraglia
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 6759

                    Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

                    Originally posted by FrediKanoute
                    He kicked 6 with Schache playing next to him. He looked far more effective when naughts was out there (if anything Naughton was struggling). He was never the sole key forward at the Saints and GWS. He was always a player who worked best as a tandem.
                    He took 43 contested marks in 22 games last year. Elite. He has taken 8 in 10 games this year. Something amiss. The Saints were not exactly handing it to him on a silver platter last year either.

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                    • Eastdog
                      WOOF Communtiy Organiser
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 18183

                      Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

                      Efficiency Inside 50
                      Power - 18 shots from 35 inside 50s (51%)
                      Bulldogs - 19 shots from 39 inside (49%)


                      Tackles in forward 50
                      Power - 10
                      Bulldogs - 15


                      Marks in 50
                      Power - 7
                      Bulldogs - 5
                      "Footscray people are incredible people; so humble. I'm just so happy - ecstatic"

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                      • Danjul
                        WOOF Member
                        • Apr 2019
                        • 1601

                        Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

                        Originally posted by Eastdog
                        Efficiency Inside 50
                        Power - 18 shots from 35 inside 50s (51%)
                        Bulldogs - 19 shots from 39 inside (49%)


                        Tackles in forward 50
                        Power - 10
                        Bulldogs - 15


                        Marks in 50
                        Power - 7
                        Bulldogs - 5
                        39 inside 50s for 5 goals. That’s 1 goal for every 8 entries. That’s terrible.

                        Now I have done the maths and converted it into a form everyone can understand, it’s over to the coaches to fix the problem.

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                        • Sedat
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 11085

                          Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

                          Originally posted by FrediKanoute
                          He kicked 6 with Schache playing next to him. He looked far more effective when naughts was out there (if anything Naughton was struggling). He was never the sole key forward at the Saints and GWS. He was always a player who worked best as a tandem.
                          Bruce was poor in the first 2 games in tandem with Naughton. He has had 9 average to very poor games and 1 excellent game this season - that's unacceptable output on any measure.
                          "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                          • G-Mo77
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9873

                            Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

                            Originally posted by Sedat
                            Bruce was poor in the first 2 games in tandem with Naughton. He has had 9 average to very poor games and 1 excellent game this season - that's unacceptable output on any measure.
                            But Naughton was doing pretty well in those games when Bruce was playing. He's there to take heat off the other guy if there is no Naughton playing there should be Schache out there.

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                            • G-Mo77
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9873

                              Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

                              Originally posted by Danjul
                              Bruce is a distraction.

                              How is it the forward line can’t kick goals? Because there is no coordination between the forwards , or between the midfield and the forwards.

                              So what has to change? The way the ball is kicked and where it’s kicked. Also, how often it’s kicked.

                              Then give each player a specific role based on their talent. For example, Dale has never been a play maker. His talent is to find space, receive the ball and kick goals from 35-45 metres. That gives 20 goals in 5 games. But we have played him in a way that might give an occasional goal.

                              We have only one player who can make a goal out of nothing and that’s Wallis. The rest have to be used better.
                              I thought McLean was pretty good up there last night. He was drafted as a forward and has done pretty well there before the last season or two, we turned him into an inside mid after that.

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                              • G-Mo77
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9873

                                Re: WB Game Day V Port Adelaide R10 2020

                                Originally posted by bornadog
                                JJ very emotional after the game

                                While I feel for players who take on that blame for a loss I wonder if JJ gets back from this. Since 2016 he's had special attention from opposition players and has gone to water. From what I see we have a lot of players when the going is tough they're not mentally strong enough to challenge themselves, challenge their opponent. IMO JJ falls in that category and I wonder if he'll ever be the same.

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