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  • Scraggers
    Premiership Moderator
    • Jun 2008
    • 3565

    Holding The Ball Rule

    Warning ... vent coming

    I am so sick and tired of the latest interpretation of the Holding The Ball rule.

    Now, you can be tackled as soon as you take possession of the ball without any prior opportunity, thrown to the ground, jumped on so it’s near impossible to move and get done for holding the ball because you didn’t make a realistic attempt. This is (insert your preferred swear word here) ridiculous.

    I understand that the rule has always benefited the second person to the ball, but it is now making the game even more scrappier. No one is willing to take possession of the ball. Therefore play-makers like Libba (the in and under players) are getting pinged consistently as the opposition waits for him to touch the ball and jumps on him.

    Something needs to change; I’m really having trouble watching a full game.

    Rant over ... come at me. Tell me I’m wrong.
  • josie
    Coaching Staff
    • Oct 2012
    • 4483

    #2
    Re: Holding The Ball Rule

    Totally fair rant. And the umps are so confused they change the interpretation within a game let alone from week to week. Ridiculous knee jerk reaction by AFL. If AFL review each match the last qtr of last night’s game is evidence of the confusion they have caused.
    Josie :)

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    • MrMahatma
      Coaching Staff
      • Sep 2007
      • 3964

      #3
      Re: Holding The Ball Rule

      Watching the last qtr of this week again. (Was at the game... Loving the dogs in SE Qld!).

      Some insane HTB calls on Porter, Richards... just madness.

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      • Bornadog
        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
        • Jan 2007
        • 66705

        #4
        Re: Holding The Ball Rule

        Whether we like the rule prior opportunity, or not, it is still a rule and AFL operations have gone too far with changing it. The poor old umps are not sure, not being consistent and the players are confused with the interpretation.
        FFC: Established 1883

        Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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        • Bulldog Joe
          Premiership Moderator
          • Jul 2009
          • 5567

          #5
          Re: Holding The Ball Rule

          I am on the other side in this, as I really like the intent of the supposed interpretation.

          However the inconsistency is driving me insane.

          I actually think they are playing some they should not be, but they are still letting a lot go that could easily be penalised.

          The one against Libba in the third was just wrong.
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          • Happy Days
            Hall of Fame
            • May 2008
            • 10142

            #6
            Re: Holding The Ball Rule

            Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
            I am on the other side in this, as I really like the intent of the supposed interpretation.

            However the inconsistency is driving me insane.

            I actually think they are playing some they should not be, but they are still letting a lot go that could easily be penalised.

            The one against Libba in the third was just wrong.
            Agree with this. There is clearly some hesitancy by some of the umpires to overpenalise, which is fair, but very frustrating when others in the same game are willing to adopt it (particularly as they typically adjudicate opposite end 50s).
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            • ratsmac
              Coaching Staff
              • May 2009
              • 3975

              #7
              Re: Holding The Ball Rule

              The umpires seem to be so HTB conscious that they aren't seeing what is actually happening. I've seen numerous poorly executed tackles across all games not just ours, that were either too high or an obvious in the back that is overlooked because they are so eager (or instructed) to pay HTB. It's actually ruining good games of football
              They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works every time!
              Brian Fantana.

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              • Bulldog Joe
                Premiership Moderator
                • Jul 2009
                • 5567

                #8
                Re: Holding The Ball Rule

                Originally posted by ratsmac
                The umpires seem to be so HTB conscious that they aren't seeing what is actually happening. I've seen numerous poorly executed tackles across all games not just ours, that were either too high or an obvious in the back that is overlooked because they are so eager (or instructed) to pay HTB. It's actually ruining good games of football
                They are certainly not penalising in the back enough.

                The first thing they need to adjudicate is the tackle. There should never be a reward for an unfair tackle.
                Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 66705

                  #9
                  Re: Holding The Ball Rule

                  Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                  They are certainly not penalising in the back enough.

                  The first thing they need to adjudicate is the tackle. There should never be a reward for an unfair tackle.
                  That tackle on Bont the other night when the player jumped on his back and Bont tried to shrug him off, and the GC player then tripped him up was just ridiclous. The tackle was incorrect, but Bont got done for HTB.
                  FFC: Established 1883

                  Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                  • Bulldog Joe
                    Premiership Moderator
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 5567

                    #10
                    Re: Holding The Ball Rule

                    Originally posted by bornadog
                    That tackle on Bont the other night when the player jumped on his back and Bont tried to shrug him off, and the GC player then tripped him up was just ridiclous. The tackle was incorrect, but Bont got done for HTB.
                    What was wrong with that tackle?

                    Apart from it being initially high, initially in the back and finally becoming a trip
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                    • AshMac
                      WOOF Member
                      • Aug 2018
                      • 1712

                      #11
                      Re: Holding The Ball Rule

                      It seems the new rule makes it fine for a player to drop the ball or dispose of it incorrectly - anything for it to spill free and keep moving and penalises guys for actually having a crack.
                      The dam wall has busted!

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                      • comrade
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 18030

                        #12
                        Re: Holding The Ball Rule

                        Originally posted by AshMac
                        It seems the new rule makes it fine for a player to drop the ball or dispose of it incorrectly - anything for it to spill free and keep moving and penalises guys for actually having a crack.
                        Yeah, until they pull out one for incorrect disposal.

                        It's an effing mess.
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                        • azabob
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 15307

                          #13
                          Re: Holding The Ball Rule

                          But Steve Hocking is adamant that neither Clarkson or Dangerfield etc have influenced the rule interpretation...
                          More of an In Bruges guy?

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                          • Bulldog4life
                            WOOF Member
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 9607

                            #14
                            Re: Holding The Ball Rule

                            The one I hate is player A grabs the pill, player B tackles him to the ground then a team mate of player A tackles player B. Bizarre.

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                            • ratsmac
                              Coaching Staff
                              • May 2009
                              • 3975

                              #15
                              Re: Holding The Ball Rule

                              To go with all the calamity around this HTB, I've noticed that team mates are handing each other the ball in packs. It is sometimes snatched out of their hands but its my understanding that you can only kick, handball or tap the ball to a team mate. Handing the ball is considered a throw. All this is allowed because the umpires are too HTB focused
                              They've done studies you know, 60% of the time, it works every time!
                              Brian Fantana.

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