3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

[comrade]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

I’m not someone who looks at stats as a definitive determination. Last night is a good example of why.

What constitutes a movement from back 50 to f50? Because if it were truely useful our f50 conversions wouldn’t be so horrific

Yeah, what's the point of being number 1 for rebound 50s when our forward entries and structure is almost terminally bad?

[AshMac]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

Having a CLEAR role - even one for which a player might not initially seem suited - really helps most find their feet.

This is exactly the same in corporate leadership and coaching

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

Yeah, what's the point of being number 1 for rebound 50s when our forward entries and structure is almost terminally bad?

Yeah but you don't throw the good out with the bad.
We transitioned amazingly well from D50 all night. That's no mean feat to be able to do it so well against a good opposition. We sliced them up.
Its the final 3rd of the field that needs the focus. Either the final kick into the forward line, kicking bloody straight when we get the scoring shot, and it also would help if our forwards moved to the right spots and didn't get in each others way.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

I’m not someone who looks at stats as a definitive determination. Last night is a good example of why.

What constitutes a movement from back 50 to f50? Because if it were truely useful our f50 conversions wouldn’t be so horrific

Wallis, Naughton, and Lloyd had multiple misses that should've been converted. Dunks missed a snap he should've kicked, Bont missed one that was a decent chance, and Bruce kicked an OOB on the full, and also fluffed a chest mark, and a dead easy snap.
That's about 9 misses that had nothing to do with poor delivery. The front half well and truly wasted our overwhelming number of D50 to inside 50 transitions that were all but delivered on a plate for them to finish.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

Wallis, Naughton, and Lloyd had multiple misses that should've been converted. Dunks missed a snap he should've kicked, Bont missed one that was a decent chance, and Bruce kicked an OOB on the full, and also fluffed a chest mark, and a dead easy snap.
That's about 9 misses that had nothing to do with poor delivery. The front half well and truly wasted our overwhelming number of D50 to inside 50 transitions that were all but delivered on a plate for them to finish.

Yes to this.

We had so many chances that we failed to capitalise on.

I would add the dropped mark by Tim English about 25 out in the 3rd as well.

We should really have won this game by a significant margin.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

Wallis, Naughton, and Lloyd had multiple misses that should've been converted. Dunks missed a snap he should've kicked, Bont missed one that was a decent chance, and Bruce kicked an OOB on the full, and also fluffed a chest mark, and a dead easy snap.
That's about 9 misses that had nothing to do with poor delivery. The front half well and truly wasted our overwhelming number of D50 to inside 50 transitions that were all but delivered on a plate for them to finish.

Last night may have been different. I only saw the last quarter so I can't comment. But on the whole of the season (and previous seasons) we're not a team where fluid ball use would be used to describe us. Sure when things are going well, but then that applies to all teams. It seems it takes a lot of effort on our part to get the ball into a scoring positions, and even then, it's not a high % scoring chance. It may also be that opposition teams allow us a bit of meters gained, knowing if they outnumber us in our F50 they'll have an easy rebound. I'd just think that with fluid ball movement we'd have a lot more high % scoring chances. Last night we might have but typically we don't. Watching the 4th quarter last night the eagles got much better looks from far fewer opportunities.

[comrade]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

Yeah but you don't throw the good out with the bad.
We transitioned amazingly well from D50 all night. That's no mean feat to be able to do it so well against a good opposition. We sliced them up.
Its the final 3rd of the field that needs the focus. Either the final kick into the forward line, kicking bloody straight when we get the scoring shot, and it also would help if our forwards moved to the right spots and didn't get in each others way.

I may be wrong, but might it be that opposition teams don't mind us chaining possessions together from half back, as we predictably turn it over going inside 50 more often than not and gives them a big opportunity to torch us the other way?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

I may be wrong, but might it be that opposition teams don't mind us chaining possessions together from half back, as we predictably turn it over going inside 50 more often than not and gives them a big opportunity to torch us the other way?

Maybe historically, but I am talking about last night. We got it right. Our forwards just made meals of all of the good work. Furthermore, they kicked 4.1 in the 1st quarter, and I think I heard that all 4 were from turnovers.
We tightened up after that, and didn't give them too many scores from turnovers thereafter. I think Cordy's dodgy handball in the last was the next I can remember.
So we were still dominating ball movement from D50 to inside F50 for the 2nd and 3rd Qtr, but just fluffed our opportunities. However tellingly we turned off the costly turnover scoring opportunities for them. After Qtr time there was hardly any opportunities for them to torch us the other way.

[Doc26]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

1. Gardner is growing into his role.
2. Unlike some Clubs, we still have focus and fire in the belly.
3. McGovern's late thumb injury saved us from a whole bunch of negativity and lost opportunity with him consciously protecting his thumb by bending it down just prior to the point of impact.

[Happy Days]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

Yes to this.

We had so many chances that we failed to capitalise on.

I would add the dropped mark by Tim English about 25 out in the 3rd as well.

We should really have won this game by a significant margin.

Agree with that. Our finishing was so bad but the rest of our game was so tight, especially our midfield which seemed locked in to running both ways which cannot always be said. Aside from two really bad errors from Cordy in the first quarter the back six held up well too. More positives than negatives.

[Bornadog]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

I’m not someone who looks at stats as a definitive determination. Last night is a good example of why.

What constitutes a movement from back 50 to f50? Because if it were truely useful our f50 conversions wouldn’t be so horrific

You said we don't move the ball fluently. You can't move the ball not fluently to be number one for transition?

Yeah, what's the point of being number 1 for rebound 50s when our forward entries and structure is almost terminally bad?

Not terminally bad at all, see below. Missing shots at goal is different to terminally bad structure. Also we are top 5 for marks inside 50. Just need to convert our opportunities.

Wallis, Naughton, and Lloyd had multiple misses that should've been converted. Dunks missed a snap he should've kicked, Bont missed one that was a decent chance, and Bruce kicked an OOB on the full, and also fluffed a chest mark, and a dead easy snap.
That's about 9 misses that had nothing to do with poor delivery. The front half well and truly wasted our overwhelming number of D50 to inside 50 transitions that were all but delivered on a plate for them to finish.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

You said we don't move the ball fluently. You can't move the ball not fluently to be number one for transition?


Not terminally bad at all, see below. Missing shots at goal is different to terminally bad structure. Also we are top 5 for marks inside 50. Just need to convert our opportunities.

Again it depends what constitutes defensive 50 to f50. Is that measured just so long as the opposition doesn’t touch the ball? Is it quick movement?

[Bornadog]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

Again it depends what constitutes defensive 50 to f50. Is that measured just so long as the opposition doesn’t touch the ball? Is it quick movement?

It's fluent

[whythelongface]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

1. We have the ability to fight back from a poor start

2. We are a work in progress. We will continue to have erratic performances in the short term but I am confident we can build into a very strong team over the next 12 to 24 months. It takes a number of years to build a dynasty. We have the core now we just need to add some final pieces.

3. The coaching team backing players in. It was great to see players such as McLean and Gardner play key roles on very good players. Well done. It is now up to these players to be more consistent and follow up on these performances.

[ratsmac]

Re: 3 things you have learned - RD 16 v West Coast 2020

1. Naughton needs to drop the stare downs after big marks. Well unless he's 10 metres out dead in front. Just go back and kick the goal, they already know who you are mate.

2. When Timmy has his confidence up he is a different player. Those 2 big marks in the last where proper character building stuff. If he can get his ruck work up to standard he will tear games apart for many years.

3. Controlling a quality opposition the way we did for basically 3 quarters shows us that we close and more than capable. They had a few stars missing which helped (a lot) but we did what was expected and required with those players missing. Sort out our f50 problems is the next phase.