What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

[GVGjr]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

So we have Naughton, Bruce, Schache and soon enough Ugle-Hagan
Is 4 tall left footed forwards a bit of overkill?

[Danjul]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

So we have Naughton, Bruce, Schache and soon enough Ugle-Hagan
Is 4 tall left footed forwards a bit of overkill?

Only one of them knows how to play on the forward line without getting in the way. Hopefully UH will quickly show he can too.

[Grantysghost]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

So we have Naughton, Bruce, Schache and soon enough Ugle-Hagan
Is 4 tall left footed forwards a bit of overkill?

Realistically without a season of top age u18 behind him this season, how many games do we see Jamarra playing?

[GVGjr]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

Realistically without a season of top age u18 behind him this season, how many games do we see Jamarra playing?

Not many at all. I'm interested in if 3 left foot tall forwards would cause some congestion?

[Danjul]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

Not many at all. I'm interested in if 3 left foot tall forwards would cause some congestion?

Naughton did extremely well when Schache was in the team during the last half of the season last year. Schache led defenders away and opened the forward line. Naughton had less to compete against and Dale was able to find space. The result was an avalanche of goals. The whole team played better with a functioning forward line.

This season there has been minimal leading, leaving Naughton and Bruce too close together, and encouraging ‘long bombs’ which assist the defenders.

It isn’t which foot they are using but which side of the brain.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Naughton did extremely well when Schache was in the team during the last half of the season last year. Schache led defenders away and opened the forward line. Naughton had less to compete against and Dale was able to find space. The result was an avalanche of goals. The whole team played better with a functioning forward line.

This season there has been minimal leading, leaving Naughton and Bruce too close together, and encouraging ‘long bombs’ which assist the defenders.

It isn’t which foot they are using but which side of the brain.

So Correlation equals causality in this case Danjul?
No other factors that we would really like to replicate each game, that could explain this dual Shache/Naughton success?
Just 'Schache led defenders away and opened the forward line'??
That's really what the data shows? unequivocally?

[jeemak]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

So Correlation equals causality in this case Danjul?
No other factors that we would really like to replicate each game, that could explain this dual Shache/Naughton success?
Just 'Schache led defenders away and opened the forward line'??
That's really what the data shows? unequivocally?

Don't.

You're arguing against a highly sophisticated BOT.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

So Correlation equals causality in this case Danjul?
No other factors that we would really like to replicate each game, that could explain this dual Shache/Naughton success?
Just 'Schache led defenders away and opened the forward line'??
That's really what the data shows? unequivocally?

I really want to swear here..

What you're saying Danjul is that our coaches did not like the spate of scoring that occurred with Naughton, Schache and Dale in our line up.. and were so take by its offensiveness that they sought to change that dynamic and ensure it never happened again!

Stop the hyperbole, please..
It's perfectly fine AND INTERESTING to push back against what the club has done to get us where we are... but please don't create an AFL equivalence of a Trumpist post truth argument.

I am pretty confident the club was creaming themselves at the prospect of a Naughton, Schache, Dale AND Bruce forward line in 2020...

I am also confident the club did not envisage Schache would not progress, or Dale.......

But lets not put any ownership on those guys.....

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Don't.

You're arguing against a highly sophisticated BOT.

That may be... but I heard 'Dont pay the ferryman' whilst walking through Bunnings last Sunday... and I've not head that for 25 years.....and that has me crapping my pants way more than this exchange, given you mentioned that very song here...
I audibly gasped...my son looked at my quizzically.. I am sure he thinks the matrix just showed itself. and I don't know what to tell him.

[jeemak]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

That may be... but I heard 'Dont pay the ferryman' whilst walking through Bunnings last Sunday... and I've not head that for 25 years.....and that has me crapping my pants way more than this exchange, given you mentioned that very song here...
I audibly gasped...my son looked at my quizzically.. I am sure he thinks the matrix just showed itself. and I don't know what to tell him.

If you hear Elton John " I want to kiss the bride" then we're doomed, because I've been hearing that from the same source as "Don't pay the ferryman".

It's terrible.

[Mitcha]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

Development of players has been given a bit of a mention of late. Just watching Mark Williams on the Front Bar and I feel we could benefit from having him at the club working with some of our players. He's still got something to offer

Reminds me far too much of Sheedy and Bomber Thompson, talks in riddles, hard too follow. Must be something about those Essendon types.

[Bullies]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

Realistically without a season of top age u18 behind him this season, how many games do we see Jamarra playing?

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Kevin Sheehan said the other day that out of the Top 3 draft picks that Jamarra would be the one who will need time because of his build. He did say though that is not to say he won't play many games but it will take time with him as he is very raw. I think the other two were mid fielders and he said they fit in far easier these days and don't take as long to develop.

[Danjul]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

So Correlation equals causality in this case Danjul?
No other factors that we would really like to replicate each game, that could explain this dual Shache/Naughton success?
Just 'Schache led defenders away and opened the forward line'??
That's really what the data shows? unequivocally?

I am just pointing out a few small facts that might get people talking and actually finding a solution to the clubs problems. Examine the games won in 2019. You will notice an interesting fact. Trengove. Look at the elimination final. No Trengove.

Now extend the observations to include the losses. You will see more patterns. None of them flattering to the management of the team, they have shown nothing that leads me to think 2020 won’t be the best season in a decade.

This is the same group that gave us a whole season in the bottom of the ladder in 2018. And blaming youth and experimentation doesn’t cut it. The management of the team has failed dismally and only a few talented observers can make any sense of it.

I thought the team could have gone further in 2015, was only slightly surprised in 2016 and totally mystified but what has happened since.

Saying the ruck is unimportant, putting training style ahead of game output, public humiliation by sitting someone on the bench from half time, not using position specialists - the list goes on. And so will the losses.

I can’t see how blatantly playing favourites is going to attract talent, I can foresee some of our own players looking elsewhere (maybe Roughead was a bigger warning sign about the team’s management than we realise).

I hope the people in positions of influence act on your suggestions, they are good ones and I can see how they will bring success , but until then us bewildered cretins who don’t understand statistics will just have to agitate.

[AshMac]

Re: What can the Western Bulldogs do to fix their flaws?

whilst walking through Bunnings last Sunday...

You tease!