Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

[Bornadog]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

Maybe that now Collingwood have sorted out the Dayne Beams affair, they wish to reneg (or change the payment details) on the Treloar deal in case the AFL still wish to include Beam's final salary/deal in their salary cap.

Yep that is going to be the issue as they had to negotiate with Beams on his payout.

Bunch of amateurs.

[jazzadogs]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

How has the AFL allowed this to happen? How can a trade be approved, with players starting training and doing media appearances, without the actual details of the trade being confirmed?

What happens if we CAN'T reach a compromise? Cancel the trade? It's shambolic.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

How has the AFL allowed this to happen? How can a trade be approved, with players starting training and doing media appearances, without the actual details of the trade being confirmed?

What happens if we CAN'T reach a compromise? Cancel the trade? It's shambolic.

I would say how have we allowed it to happen? I get that the paperwork get's lodged and Treloar becomes a Bulldog, but either we agreed a number or a range of numbers otherwise we haven't agreed a deal and Treloar can go back to the Pies......

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

I would say how have we allowed it to happen? I get that the paperwork get's lodged and Treloar becomes a Bulldog, but either we agreed a number or a range of numbers otherwise we haven't agreed a deal and Treloar can go back to the Pies......

There is a potential that Collingwood are trying to exploit a rushed deal by going against the spirit of the 'in principle' deal.

I know the player managers will just accept this but surely dealing with Collingwood on renegotiated contracts is more of a concern than ever

[Grantysghost]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

At a guess both parties agreed to an overall dollar amount that Collingwood would contribute to, lets assume it was 1.25M over 5 years, and we believed it would be the average of 250k per season. The Pies however have now offered us 150K in year one, 450K in year 2, 450K in year 3 but then something like 100K in year 4 and the same in year 5 because it suits their needs

It is an exceptionally bad look for Collingwood, and all players and their managers need to take notice, but it's also an awful look for the AFL to sign off on the deal

It will be interesting to see if it can be resolved by the end of the week

The irony looms large if this is true. Backending is what got them here in the first place.

[The Underdog]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

This seems pretty sub-optimal all around. Certainly can have some pretty serious ramifications for us down the track if it doesn’t end up in the structure we expected

[Grantysghost]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

This seems pretty sub-optimal all around. Certainly can have some pretty serious ramifications for us down the track if it doesn’t end up in the structure we expected

So true, in that scenario painted by GVGjr it forces us to back end, whilst freeing up cap space for themselves down the track. It's complete mismanagement by one team and now they're trying to push the same practices on to another! The AFL should've dealt with this at the time of the trade. It's a terrible indictment on the way the trade system is operating currently.

[comrade]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

I can't imagine the AFL is keen on a protacted legal battle with Peter Gordon involved. This will get resolved somehow but what a freaking mess. Just proves once again the AFL is a bush league.

[Happy Days]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

There is a potential that Collingwood are trying to exploit a rushed deal by going against the spirit of the 'in principle' deal.

I know that the AFL like to think that they operate in a bubble and can make up rules to fix issues as they arise, but this is very illegal in the real world. Pies need to grow up here.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

I’m not too worried. This is collingwoods mess to sort out. If we say no, the AFL won’t want to deal with the repercussions and just quietly give us the extra cap space. This is the AFEL after all.

[Axe Man]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

Western Bulldogs and Collingwood yet to agree deal on how much of Adam Treloar’s wage will be supplemented

Adam Treloar’s move to Western Bulldogs is still unofficial, with Collingwood haggling over how much of his bumper contract it is willing to pay.

New Western Bulldog Adam Treloar won’t ask for special treatment to handle a long-term relationship next year as Collingwood continues to haggle over its contribution to his $4.5 million five-year contract.

In a surprising twist to the last-minute trade, the Pies and Bulldogs are yet to come to a resolution over the sharing of his wage.

The Herald Sun believes the Bulldogs expected Collingwood to pay as much as $300,000 of his $900,000 annual salary.

But the league is yet to receive his contract and the Magpies are digging in over how much they will fork out for Treloar to play for a rival club next season.

The Dogs secured Treloar for a steal, handing over pick 14 and a future second-rounder and getting back picks 26, 33 and 42.

They also expected to pay as little as $600,000 of the $900,000 yearly salary he was on at Collingwood.

The Magpies shifted Treloar off their books because of salary cap pressure, but Treloar was adamant he would not take any less than he was owed after back-ending contracts in his time at Collingwood.

The Bulldogs had agreed he would be paid all of the money owed to him over the life of the deal.

Clubs regularly pay a portion of contracts for players to finish their careers at rival clubs.

But even if the Pies do not contribute as much as $300,000 a year for five seasons, topping up his wage by more than a million dollars over the life of the contract would be unprecedented in AFL terms.

The clubs will continue deliberations this week on a deal that was only lodged in the seconds before the trade deadline.

The Pies were hopeful they would receive some salary relief from the AFL over Dayne Beams’ contract given his mental health provisions.

But the league made clear last week they would have to include the settlement in their salary cap.

Treloar’s partner Kim Ravaillion and daughter Georgie move to Queensland in January and he has told the Dogs he will be able to handle the 10 months they are interstate with a minimum of fuss.

The ex-Pies midfielder was traded to the Dogs with Collingwood believing he would quickly fall apart with his family living in another state.

But not only are the Dogs confident he and Kim can cope with a long-distance relationship for 12 months, he isn’t even their first player with a Queensland Firebirds partner.

Ruckman Tim English has been going out with Firebirds netballer Rudi Ellis for some years, with the former Melbourne Vixens player joining the Queensland side at the start of this year.

Josh Dunkley’s sister Lara is also a star Queensland Firebirds player.

If the interstate borders had remained closed Treloar’s ability to fly north at times might have been more challenging.

But he and Ravaillion will find time in their schedules to meet up given split rounds and breaks in seasons that have them confident they can make it work for a year.

Western Bulldogs head of football Chris Maple told the Herald Sun as professional sportspeople Treloar and Ravaillion would make it work.

“Adam and Kim have already worked it out. Our player welfare guys will help him when he needs it and I would imagine our football admin staff will be booking flights back and forth for them to see each other. All that was already worked out before the Bulldogs were on the (trade) scene. If you look at Mitch Starc and Alyssa Healy, he is on the road all the time and they have been in (COVID) bubbles recently. Cricketers sign up for it and they know they will be on tours at different times and footballers haven’t come across it until this year but it’s something they are getting used to.”

Treloar will sign a five-year deal with the Dogs, with Collingwood expected to contribute around $300,000 of that $900,000-per-season contract.

The Dogs can configure his $4.5 million salary obligation any way they see fit.

The Bulldogs yesterday made a trio of list changes, with Ben Cavarra, Will Hayes and Roarke Smith delisted.

They have committed to redrafting Smith – most likely as a rookie but potentially on the senior list – while Cavarra and Hayes might still be rookie-listed.

Hayes played nine impressive games in the back-end of 2019 but only two games this year.

It comes as Dogs coach Luke Beveridge admitted former vice-captain Lachie Hunter had “some challenges in the future” to tackle after a disastrous year off-field.

He was suspended for four games after crashing into a series of high-end vehicles and took time away from footy in July for personal reasons.

““He’s had some challenging times dealing with some personal struggles in his life and he hasn’t necessarily managed it too well and he’s needed support that maybe we hadn’t given him enough of.

“As you saw when he came back into the fold the second time and played again, he started to have the usual influence. But why I paint that picture and lay a foundation, it’s to say that Lachie’s got some challenges in the future, there’s no doubt about it.

“I don’t think he’s where he wants to be quite yet. In the short term, hopefully we get to the early part of the season and he’s settled, he’s in the team and he’s playing good footy.”

[GVGjr]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

I’m not too worried. This is collingwoods mess to sort out. If we say no, the AFL won’t want to deal with the repercussions and just quietly give us the extra cap space. This is the AFEL after all.

At the very least the AFL should stop Collingwood from potentially trading any picks with other clubs until this has been resolved

It's still hard to fathom how a deal can be approved by the two parties are actually a long way off on their understanding on how the deal actually looks

[azabob]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

Wonder what assurance Sam Power had from the AFL which made him in-turn proceed with the trade?

[Bornadog]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

I blame the AFL and the AFLPA for not dealing with the list sizes and the salary cap way before the trade period. This should have been sorted out by mid year and then the clubs would know where they stand with the cap and numbers. There is still no clear indication of the salary cap for future years which makes it difficult to negotiate individual player payments.

[Doc26]

Re: Welcome to the Westernbulldogs Adam Treloar

At the very least the AFL should stop Collingwood from potentially trading any picks with other clubs until this has been resolved

It's still hard to fathom how a deal can be approved by the two parties are actually a long way off on their understanding on how the deal actually looks

It certainly is a strange look for the AFL. Like what’s the purpose of Ken Wood and the trade deadline if key terms such as agreement to the trade’s ‘pricing schedule’ have not been ratified. There’s something just not right with the urgency and need with how Collingwood came to offload Treloar from their books. It smells of the AFL meddling / having a hand in this in the first instance which MAY be how it has ended where it is now.