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  • I'm Not Bitter Anymore!
    WOOF Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 1100

    #31
    Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

    So disappointing

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    • kruder
      Coaching Staff
      • May 2011
      • 3912

      #32
      Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

      It feels like I’m reading the Carlton version of woof this weekend some need to get a grip.

      Trade Baz, trade English, JJ is the reason we are loosing lol

      Need to rename this joint to bigfooty.

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      • josie
        Coaching Staff
        • Oct 2012
        • 4666

        #33
        Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

        Originally posted by kruder
        It feels like I’m reading the Carlton version of woof this weekend some need to get a grip.

        Trade Baz, trade English, JJ is the reason we are loosing lol

        Need to rename this joint to bigfooty.
        How long do you give players to turn things around though? Some of these issues have been around for years.

        Maybe Baz because he is young but frankly for a player that trains so hard & wants to become one of the best his panicky handballs and long high kicks to no-one are driving me nuts. English is still not and doubt he ever will be a number 1 ruck and to my eye since his concussion injury appears timid in some follow up contested work. JJ is just not up to it - weak tackling efforts, lots of turnovers that the occasional flash of good play does not make up for, and from one of our experienced players. These, along with other glaring weaknesses like picking players that seem to add little if anything and are given free passes to selection (Hannan) when others are dropped after 1 or two games, we seem to have had for years on end are I think cumulatively are why we are losing games & why we’ve gone to water in finals since ‘16. Totally understand woofers upset at a promising season that appears to be heading into the waste basket. There’s losing after you know all or most players have done the best they can (Libba, Bont, Weightman and Macrae come to mind from yesterday) and then there is losing from what to my eye appeared to be a lack of composure, passion and intent from most of the team - like yesterday.

        The team needs to develop a backbone and an ability to respond quickly when things are not going our way eg if centre bounced are not going our way why not closely check each opposing midfielder? If the loose man in defence is killing us put a player on him and have one less around the clearances or make F50 entries low not bombs that are easy to pick off. It’s going to make for a more ugly spectacle but might keep us in the game.

        Healthy, respectful debate on what we need to do to turn things around (and yeah we are frustrated armchair experts) and acknowledge the things that are working is what makes woof way better than big footy.
        Josie :)

        Our day will come
        And we'll have everything.
        We'll share the joy
        Just like '54 again.

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34289

          #34
          Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

          Originally posted by kruder
          It feels like I’m reading the Carlton version of woof this weekend some need to get a grip.

          Trade Baz, trade English, JJ is the reason we are loosing lol

          Need to rename this joint to bigfooty.
          Or WACO. People can't have thoughts different to each other without sledging BF at them? Very ironic statement you make.
          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • Grantysghost
            Bouncing Strong
            • Apr 2010
            • 19389

            #35
            Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

            Originally posted by kruder
            It feels like I’m reading the Carlton version of woof this weekend some need to get a grip.

            Trade Baz, trade English, JJ is the reason we are loosing lol

            Need to rename this joint to bigfooty.
            I don't agree with this at all, on big footy they regularly attack grammar, go the man, I really don't think the two are comparable.

            I think people can be upset, isn't that what forums are for? It's an emotional game, many people are in their 6th lockdown and there was nothing personal that I saw from the more critical posters.

            Smiling all the time can be way more demonic.
            BT COME BACK!​

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            • jeemak
              Bulldog Legend
              • Oct 2010
              • 22155

              #36
              Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

              I liked Kruder's post for the line about Carlton. This place isn't comparable to Bigfooty, even though some folks are probably taking things much harder and more dramatically than I was prepared for.
              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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              • Go_Dogs
                Hall of Fame
                • Jan 2007
                • 10258

                #37
                Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

                Originally posted by jeemak
                I liked Kruder's post when it was just the one line about Carlton. This place isn't comparable to Bigfooty, even though some folks are probably taking things much harder and more dramatically than I was prepared for.
                Still prefer having expectation, even if the disappointment can sting a little more. Imagine going for the Saints…
                Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                • bulldogsthru&thru
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • May 2011
                  • 8049

                  #38
                  Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

                  Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                  Or WACO. People can't have thoughts different to each other without sledging BF at them? Very ironic statement you make.
                  Ironic indeed. People who can’t handle a different opinion to their own? Yeah bigfooty alright.

                  If people only want to hear what they want to hear, then maybe setup your own forum where you’re the admin and only person allowed to post.

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                  • jeemak
                    Bulldog Legend
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 22155

                    #39
                    Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

                    Originally posted by Go_Dogs
                    Still prefer having expectation, even if the disappointment can sting a little more. Imagine going for the Saints…
                    Absolutely prefer to have expectations, realistic ones as well.

                    Imagine being a Carlton supporter, they genuinely thought they should be a lock for finals this year and think they aren't because of the coach. Bonkers.
                    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                    • The bulldog tragician
                      Senior Player
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 1978

                      #40
                      Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

                      I can understand both Kruder’s AND Josie’s points of view. I swing wildly between anger and protectiveness of our players, hope, and a grumpy feeling that this may be another unrewarding season - and as we know too well, it’s really hard to climb the mountain and who knows whether the opportunity we have as a current top four team.

                      It’s tough in lockdown, our teams efforts are even more important to us, yet we are more distant from them than ever, unable to really see who’s assigned what role, who’s not running as hard as they should. Overall I have a feeling we’ve just hit a wall, that the fatigue of the season and the impact of injuries has worn us down. Even Bevo is flat. There are parallels with us limping to the finish in 2016 but more and more the efforts of that group to overcome adversity seem superhuman. We’re about to find out a lot more about the steel of this group, I hope it’s an answer we’re proud of.
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                      • bulldogsthru&thru
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • May 2011
                        • 8049

                        #41
                        Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

                        Originally posted by Grantysghost
                        I don't agree with this at all, on big footy they regularly attack grammar, go the man, I really don't think the two are comparable.

                        I think people can be upset, isn't that what forums are for? It's an emotional game, many people are in their 6th lockdown and there was nothing personal that I saw from the more critical posters.

                        Smiling all the time can be way more demonic.
                        To be fair, there is some stuff that is unforgivable. There needs to be some standards set But to your point, it should never be personal.

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                        • bulldogsthru&thru
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • May 2011
                          • 8049

                          #42
                          Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

                          Originally posted by The bulldog tragician
                          I can understand both Kruder’s AND Josie’s points of view. I swing wildly between anger and protectiveness of our layers, hope, and a grumpy feeling that this may be another unrewarding season - and as we know too well, it’s really hard to climb the mountain and who knows whether the opportunity we have as a current top four team.

                          It’s tough in lockdown, our teams efforts are even more important to us, yet we are more distant from them than ever, unable to really see who’s assigned what role, who’s not running as hard as they should. Overall I have a feeling we’ve just hit a wall, that the fatigue of the season and the impact of injuries has worn us down. Even Bevo is flat. There are parallels with us limping to the finish in 2016 but more and more the efforts of that group to overcome adversity seem superhuman. We’re about to find out a lot more about the steel of this group, I hope it’s an answer we’re proud of.
                          Our 2016 effort is so underestimated by neutrals and media alike. Most put it down to a fluke. Others the bye. But I guarantee if it was Essendon or Carlton or Collingwood etc who had done the same, it’d be spoken of as one of the all time greatest premierships. But you’re right. As time goes on, that win becomes even more astonishing.

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                          • comrade
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 18103

                            #43
                            Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

                            Originally posted by The bulldog tragician
                            I can understand both Kruder’s AND Josie’s points of view. I swing wildly between anger and protectiveness of our layers, hope, and a grumpy feeling that this may be another unrewarding season - and as we know too well, it’s really hard to climb the mountain and who knows whether the opportunity we have as a current top four team.

                            It’s tough in lockdown, our teams efforts are even more important to us, yet we are more distant from them than ever, unable to really see who’s assigned what role, who’s not running as hard as they should. Overall I have a feeling we’ve just hit a wall, that the fatigue of the season and the impact of injuries has worn us down. Even Bevo is flat. There are parallels with us limping to the finish in 2016 but more and more the efforts of that group to overcome adversity seem superhuman. We’re about to find out a lot more about the steel of this group, I hope it’s an answer we’re proud of.
                            Just spitballing because I’m struggling to understand how we’ve dropped our bundle so badly, so quickly...

                            Bevo has been flat for ages, repeatedly mentioning the toll the soft cap cuts are having on staff and coaches at the club and lacking the usual energy and positivity we’ve come to expect from him over the years.

                            Is it possible that it has permeated the group?
                            Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                            • bulldogsthru&thru
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • May 2011
                              • 8049

                              #44
                              Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

                              Originally posted by comrade
                              Just spitballing because I’m struggling to understand how we’ve dropped our bundle so badly, so quickly...

                              Bevo has been flat for ages, repeatedly mentioning the toll the soft cap cuts are having on staff and coaches at the club and lacking the usual energy and positivity we’ve come to expect from him over the years.

                              Is it possible that it has permeated the group?
                              There’s certainly a consistent energy level throughout the group. Almost like everyone would prefer to be doing anything but football. Lockdown has hit everyone but perhaps we’ve been a bit more sensitive to it than other clubs.

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                              • Go_Dogs
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 10258

                                #45
                                Re: It was 6 Days Ago Today, That...

                                Originally posted by comrade
                                Just spitballing because I’m struggling to understand how we’ve dropped our bundle so badly, so quickly...

                                Bevo has been flat for ages, repeatedly mentioning the toll the soft cap cuts are having on staff and coaches at the club and lacking the usual energy and positivity we’ve come to expect from him over the years.

                                Is it possible that it has permeated the group?
                                Well, the coaches and leaders need to galvanise the group. Lead with energy. Create : manufacture some momentum and get us off the deck.

                                I think the coaches and players really thought they were set for Saturday.

                                The disappointment was clear in the post match press conference and the video to members which landed in my inbox early this afternoon. I don’t think it was flatness per se. More a disappointed parent.

                                We need something to click, bring some contagious energy and get this thing back on track.
                                Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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