Ins and Outs Round 17 v Carlton

[Bornadog]

This is a must win to show we have lost no confidence.

Williams should be back from injury, Higgins was ok at Willy. Is Johnno fully fit, how did the ankle come up?

In Williams, Higgins

Out Tiller, Harbrow

[DOG GOD]

Re: Ins and Outs Round 17 v Carlton

why would u drop harbrow, he was the only one that showed fwd defensive pressure.

[Go_Dogs]

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Could Hill possibly be a chance, as he was probably unlucky not to play this week and from the few reports I've read seemed to go ok on the weekend?

Will be interesting to see what happens with Williams to as I know GVGjr was suggesting that perhaps he may benefit from a week at Willy before coming back into the side.

Higgins must be getting close too, would add another decent forward/midfield rotation spot. Just hope he's continued working on his defensive efforts.

[The Coon Dog]

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why would u drop harbrow, he was the only one that showed fwd defensive pressure.

Because you can't get a game on purely forward defensive pressure. His kicking & decision making were poor on Saturday. 4 of his 6 kicks were turnovers.

[Go_Dogs]

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Because you can't get a game on purely forward defensive pressure. His kicking & decision making were poor on Saturday.

I tend to agree. His defensive pressure was fantastic, but he does need to offer more. The previous week against Melbourne he led up and presented well. He needs to do more of the same and kick a few more goals to become a regular.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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I would have thought they'd need to give Higgins more time at VFL level to get fit

If Williams comes in I'd suspect it would be for Tiller

[Crizza]

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Just putting this out there - should we drop Johnno so that his ankle repairs properly rather than playing injured and risking further damage - but also ensuring his body is ready to fire come finals.

Whilst it is a must win game - i do think we can win without Johnno and allow him to get the ankle right

[Bornadog]

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Just putting this out there - should we drop Johnno so that his ankle repairs properly rather than playing injured and risking further damage - but also ensuring his body is ready to fire come finals.

Whilst it is a must win game - i do think we can win without Johnno and allow him to get the ankle right

I tend to agree, we need him towards the end of the season. If there is any indication of any injury, lets rest him afew weeks.

[LostDoggy]

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Totally agree. It's not as if he's giving us anything anyway playing half-fit. Johnno being Johnno, he's not the kind of player who's going to be much value if he's not mostly there physically. His decision making is suspect and he can disappear for long stretches in a match, but he brings an incredible physical presence, a bulldog attitude, and a difficult match up IF he is match fit. Otherwise -- and I hesitate to say this about a much beloved captain -- he tends to be more of a liability than an asset.

[Mantis]

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Totally agree. It's not as if he's giving us anything anyway playing half-fit. Johnno being Johnno, he's not the kind of player who's going to be much value if he's not mostly there physically. His decision making is suspect and he can disappear for long stretches in a match, but he brings an incredible physical presence, a bulldog attitude, and a difficult match up IF he is match fit. Otherwise -- and I hesitate to say this about a much beloved captain -- he tends to be more of a liability than an asset.

Yet you still gave him 2 votes for our best player this week on the back of one 'inspirational' centre clearance.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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I thought Will was very poor on the weekend.
Given Street's consistently good form for Williamstown over the course of the year, should he be given reward, and Will a spell in the VFL?

I think Hill to come in for Harbrow. I was one who thought Harbrow deserved a shot above Hill against Geelong, and whilst I still think Jarrod has alot of long term value for us, there is no dbout that his offensive skills need work. His defensive efforts were excellent, but he more than negated this with poor decision and execution.
Williams to come in for Tiller, also.

I would've thought Higgins will need at least another week with Willy.

[Mantis]

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When does Hahn come under pressure? His last 2 games have seen him grab a grand total of 11 possessions. Yeah I know he has a sore foot, but does he need a week off?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Tiller for Williams.

I don't think Harbrow should be dropped on the back of one game? Hill was ordinary for a month prior to being dropped the first time around, I wouldn't mind giving Harbrow the opportunity to atone. He brings something different to our side. His intensity, enthusiasm and defensive pressure is first class and country miles ahead of Hill. His offensive work certainly needs improving, but I think he's better placed to work on that in the AFL rather than at VFL level where he cruises each week.

Hill doesn't bring enough to the table. He misses opportunities to kick goals and often misses targets - perhaps he's slightly better than Harbrow in this area, but marginally. He's too easily pushed off the ball and doesn't apply enough pressure. Hill's younger and will be much better next year and beyond, I just personally think we're going to get more out of Harbrow at this point in time. If Jarrad struggles again this week then entertain a swap, but I think he deserves the chance to redeem himself. We had plenty of passengers on the weekend and whilst Harbrow turned the ball over a few times, he applied more pressure than anybody else. At least he won the ball - if he can improve his offense, he'll be pretty dangerous.

To me, it just sends the wrong message if we drop Harbrow. He's worked extremely hard to get back in the side and played one average game, through no lack of endeavor. He's young and made a few mistakes - big deal. The players that let us down were senior players - Akermanis, Hahn, Murphy, Johnson, Welsh, Minson, Morris, Lake etc.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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When does Hahn come under pressure? His last 2 games have seen him grab a grand total of 11 possessions. Yeah I know he has a sore foot, but does he need a week off?

I was thinking the same thing yesterday, but thought I'd be shot down at suggesting it. Apparently he's fully fit according to Eade, no? Either way, it's obvious Hahn is struggling lately as he's not able to get to as many contests. If he doesn't mark the ball, then he's virtually been a witches hat to the opposition the last two weeks.

I wouldn't mind seeing Hahn rested this week, and Johnson too.

I didn't pay a lot of attention to the way Aker moved on Saturday, but is he still limited? He's not having the same impact as he was prior to the break so perhaps he'll need a rest soemtime soon too.

[LostDoggy]

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Yet you still gave him 2 votes for our best player this week on the back of one 'inspirational' centre clearance.

Probably more an indictment on the rest of the team than necessarily saying he was magnificent eh?

I wouldn't be alone in finding it hard to find worthy vote-getters over four quarters, I'm sure. Was happy with his effort if not his actual results (which is my point about him being not fully fit), and yes, putting himself in the centre and getting the ball was quite good, as was his tackle that gave him a shot on goal. That was a concrete a contribution as any on a pretty scrappy day for the Dogs in general, no?