Assistant Coaches

[ledge]

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They showed that eight coaches in nine seasons have left the club and they're using that as a lever to propagate Bevo being difficult to work with. Albeit admitting some left for opportunity.

We all think we've kept coaches too long! It's really amazing stuff.

Bevo - very emotional about losing a club legend.

I've heard......not confirmed.

Close losses means the coach is bad.

I really hope the panic merchant mentality that's infecting the supporter base driven by this bullshit in the media doesn't stick. Well I'm not that hopeful.

The only thing that gives me some sense of calm about our administration is they're weathered corporatists that have to present and be accountable to shit numbers and results from time to time, and should know that calm instead of chaos is the way to deal with it.

If the club responds in the emphatic reactionary way the media is goading it towards I'll be really disappointed.

Left the club or the club made a decision to let them go ?
Some left due to other opportunities some left due to Covid soft cap and we couldn’t pay them.
9 in 10 years isn’t a lot at all.
Most clubs let one go a year I would think.
Be interesting to know how many have moved from all other clubs in 10 years .
I would think it would be pretty standard amount.

[azabob]

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I feel sick writing this but Phil Davis from GWS has retired.

A bloody good footballer and who understands the game incredibly well.

Surely worth a conversation.

[DOG GOD]

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I feel sick writing this but Phil Davis from GWS has retired.

A bloody good footballer and who understands the game incredibly well.

Surely worth a conversation.

Might be if Leon Cameron is our new coach

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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Our 3 latest Hall of Fame inductees in Robert Murphy and Matthew Boyd who are both at Fremantle and Dale Morris with the Brisbane Lions
would be ideal to join our Match Committee. These are three highly respected former players with the credibility for our playing group
to respond in a positive way. It should also require Ameet Bains to oversee the Match Committee and Recruitment to demand higher
standards that what is occurring at the moment.

[ledge]

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I thought Boyd was at the pies.
I don’t think we could get Murphy back. I believe the reason he is at Fremantle is because he went to live there.
I think it would take a huge offer to get any back.
Would any of us leave that weather to come back to Melbourne ?
They are assistants not players.

[Mantis]

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Our 3 latest Hall of Fame inductees in Robert Murphy and Matthew Boyd who are both at Fremantle and Dale Morris with the Brisbane Lions would be ideal to join our Match Committee. These are three highly respected former players with the credibility for our playing group to respond in a positive way. It should also require Ameet Bains to oversee the Match Committee and Recruitment to demand higher standards that what is occurring at the moment.

Isn't that Chris Grant's job?

[GVGjr]

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Our 3 latest Hall of Fame inductees in Robert Murphy and Matthew Boyd who are both at Fremantle and Dale Morris with the Brisbane Lions
would be ideal to join our Match Committee. These are three highly respected former players with the credibility for our playing group
to respond in a positive way. It should also require Ameet Bains to oversee the Match Committee and Recruitment to demand higher
standards that what is occurring at the moment.

Morris is up north because that's where his wife wanted to live. I doubt he is coming back.
Boyd has just signed an extension with Fremantle so that doesn't appear to be a likely outcome in the short term either.
Murphy isn't in a coaching position at Fremantle and is the Head of Football Operations there. Perhaps he might consider a move back home to replace Chris Maple's role.

Do we really think Bains is best placed to oversee the MC or even recruitment or that he could add much value there?
Surely a GM of Football, Director of Football and the GM of List, Recruiting and Projects should be sufficient in that capacity with Bains attending strategic meetings that involve targeting players from opposition teams.

We have to trust the managers we have in place for the day-to-day functions and we don't need Bains to be that close or hands-on to any of the clubs departments.

[Bornadog]

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I am hoping that we look at replacing most of the assistants (except Lade if he is working out ie).

I don't want any former Western Bulldogs Champions of the club, or ex players. We need to look for new ideas from a successful club under a successful coach. People that have worked with Longmuir, Scott at Geelong, Hardwick, Hinkley or ex senior coaches such as Dew.

Our game plan revolves around creating a stoppage, and getting the clearance but we have been worked out.

We want new fresh ideas. Make it happen Granty/Baines.

[Sedat]

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Morris is up north because that's where his wife wanted to live. I doubt he is coming back.
Boyd has just signed an extension with Fremantle so that doesn't appear to be a likely outcome in the short term either.
Murphy isn't in a coaching position at Fremantle and is the Head of Football Operations there. Perhaps he might consider a move back home to replace Chris Maple's role.

Do we really think Bains is best placed to oversee the MC or even recruitment or that he could add much value there?
Surely a GM of Football, Director of Football and the GM of List, Recruiting and Projects should be sufficient in that capacity with Bains attending strategic meetings that involve targeting players from opposition teams.

We have to trust the managers we have in place for the day-to-day functions and we don't need Bains to be that close or hands-on to any of the clubs departments.

I would also add that Bains had a very underwhelming career as list manager at the Saints before he somehow traded up to COO (what is it about failure being rewarded at the Saints - have a look at Lethers). Many of the list management decisions Bains directly presided over from 2011-2014 were a disaster in truth. Add to that his VAFA background and his career prior to the Saints working with the global corporates as an in-house lawyer, and he is the prototype of the slick globalist careerist who (like our president) is far more suited to an executive position at City Hall than the club environment IMO.

I personally don't want him anywhere near presiding over any future detailed review of our footy operations, but that wish won't be granted while he is CEO. The off-field/redevelopment stuff is really his wheelhouse, and if he is performing to expectations in this area then great.

The Dogs feels like a stepping stone in his future career on the board of some nondescript global organisation (or the AFEL) - nothing wrong with that of course, we all do the hustle from time to time.

[GVGjr]

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I am hoping that we look at replacing most of the assistants (except Lade if he is working out ie).

I don't want any former Western Bulldogs Champions of the club, or ex players. We need to look for new ideas from a successful club under a successful coach. People that have worked with Longmuir, Scott at Geelong, Hardwick, Hinkley or ex senior coaches such as Dew.

Our game plan revolves around creating a stoppage, and getting the clearance but we have been worked out.

We want new fresh ideas. Make it happen Granty/Baines.

I simply want the best people identified and brought in. I don't have a preference if it's ex players or not and I'm not sure why we would limit our searches.

Gia, for example, has done some additional development work in his quest to give himself the best chance of landing a senior coaching job. If he was interested in a return to us if I was on a selection committee I'd be keen to hear what he has to say.
I certainly wouldn't be ignoring him because he previously played for us.
Fresh ideas are only a good thing if they can be acted upon.

[angelopetraglia]

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I would also add that Bains had a very underwhelming career as list manager at the Saints before he somehow traded up to COO (what is it about failure being rewarded at the Saints - have a look at Lethers). Many of the list management decisions Bains directly presided over from 2011-2014 were a disaster in truth. Add to that his VAFA background and his career prior to the Saints working with the global corporates as an in-house lawyer, and he is the prototype of the slick globalist careerist who (like our president) is far more suited to an executive position at City Hall than the club environment IMO.

I personally don't want him anywhere near presiding over any future detailed review of our footy operations, but that wish won't be granted while he is CEO. The off-field/redevelopment stuff is really his wheelhouse, and if he is performing to expectations in this area then great.

The Dogs feels like a stepping stone in his future career on the board of some nondescript global organisation (or the AFEL) - nothing wrong with that of course, we all do the hustle from time to time.

Understand what you are saying, but possibly a little unfair. I'm only judging him from his CV and hearing him speak.

Born to migrants. Grew up in Bendigo. Chose to work in a football club environment at a relatively young age. He has been in a football club environment for 13+ years now. He only worked at one global company, which was Toyota.

"A slick globalist careerist" - I'm not too sure he fits that prototype.

[Grantysghost]

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Understand what you are saying, but possibly a little unfair. I'm only judging him from his CV and hearing him speak.

Born to migrants. Grew up in Bendigo. Chose to work in a football club environment at a relatively young age. He has been in a football club environment for 13+ years now. He only worked at one global company, which was Toyota.

"A slick globalist careerist" - I'm not too sure he fits that prototype.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good character assassination.

[Bornadog]

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Understand what you are saying, but possibly a little unfair. I'm only judging him from his CV and hearing him speak.

Born to migrants. Grew up in Bendigo. Chose to work in a football club environment at a relatively young age. He has been in a football club environment for 13+ years now. He only worked at one global company, which was Toyota.

"A slick globalist careerist" - I'm not too sure he fits that prototype.

Ameet has been a fantastic CEO, but like Sedat, I don't really want him interfering with the football department. Admin and Football Operations must be separate.

If there was to be an extensive review, it should be independent of Bulldog people.

[angelopetraglia]

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Ameet has been a fantastic CEO, but like Sedat, I don't really want him interfering with the football department. Admin and Football Operations must be separate.

If there was to be an extensive review, it should be independent of Bulldog people.

Ultimately the CEO will be judged by how well the football team performs. The buck stops with him. You think Brendan Gale has zero influence in the Football Department? The CEOs role is not to be hands on with Football Department matters, but he should be across the structure and most importantly the appointment of the key roles. That is his job.

He is the CEO of a Football Club, not a corporation. He is in the business of football. Football is his job. Every metric of the club is dependent on the team performing on field. That is the foundational layer of the club. Everything else can only be built from that.

So to reiterate. He should not be micromanaging football matters, but to say that the leader of the Football Club should not be across the key decisions of Football are misguided.

AFL Football Clubs are not large bureaucracies, they are relative small businesses. The club only turns over ~$50m per annum. The leader of the club should be across almost everything.

[Bornadog]

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Ultimately the CEO will be judged by how well the football team performs. The buck stops with him. You think Brendan Gale has zero influence in the Football Department? The CEOs role is not to be hands on with Football Department matters, but he should be across the structure and most importantly the appointment of the key roles. That is his job.

He is the CEO of a Football Club, not a corporation. He is in the business of football. Football is his job. Every metric of the club is dependent on the team performing on field. That is the foundational layer of the club. Everything else can only be built from that.

So to reiterate. He should not be micromanaging football matters, but to say that the leader of the Football Club should not be across the key decisions of Football are misguided.

I agree, I was talking the micro stuff, not the key decisions like appointment of staff etc.