Argue against us winning the flag.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

I get what you're saying, but wouldn't it just have been nice to see someone enact something that we all really would have hoped had been coached into them at some point after the first one or two goals had been kicked against the momentum we had created?

Go the hit, sure. Make funny faces, sure. Do anything other than foot to the floor attack.............too hard. I don't know what shits me more, the thought the players ignored this element or if it wasn't coached to them in the first place.

Yep just disrupt what was happening, either with a bit of a scuffle (nothing major), or playing keeping’s off for 5 to 10 minutes. Getting destroyed like that in a pre season game would be alarming let alone the ultimate game.

We kind of did it in the MCG match, we had some edge about us that night that I think we need more often this season.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

I get what you're saying, but wouldn't it just have been nice to see someone enact something that we all really would have hoped had been coached into them at some point after the first one or two goals had been kicked against the momentum we had created?

Go the hit, sure. Make funny faces, sure. Do anything other than foot to the floor attack.............too hard. I don't know what shits me more, the thought the players ignored this element or if it wasn't coached to them in the first place.

Agreed which is why I wonder if we were frozen by fatigue. We became statues figuratively and literally, physically AND mentally.

Libba is one of my all time favourites, but he was diabolical in this period from a physical standpoint and his positioning / Russian roulette. It was really un-Libba like.

It would be interesting to know how we reflect on this game internally. I still can see Bont kicking his third, going 19 up and thinking 'we're gonna win this'. Maybe the problem is, so did the rest of the team....

[azabob]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

Agreed which is why I wonder if we were frozen by fatigue. We became statues figuratively and literally, physically AND mentally.

Libba is one of my all time favourites, but he was diabolical in this period from a physical standpoint and his positioning / Russian roulette. It was really un-Libba like.

It would be interesting to know how we reflect on this game internally. I still can see Bont kicking his third, going 19 up and thinking 'we're gonna win this'. Maybe the problem is, so did the rest of the team....

Libba was so instrumental in 2016 sacrificing his own game in working over Kennedy which is even more puzzling why he didn't double down in 2021?

That image of Bont in the 3rd is etched in my mind forever.... if only...

[Grantysghost]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

Agreed which is why I wonder if we were frozen by fatigue. We became statues figuratively and literally, physically AND mentally.

Libba is one of my all time favourites, but he was diabolical in this period from a physical standpoint and his positioning / Russian roulette. It was really un-Libba like.

It would be interesting to know how we reflect on this game internally. I still can see Bont kicking his third, going 19 up and thinking 'we're gonna win this'. Maybe the problem is, so did the rest of the team....

Do you think the Port game played any part. Once we got a roll on against them we literally rolled over them. Wonder if the players thought the same was going to happen?

Not being aware or respecting your opponent is a good argument against winning if we have that mindset (see how I tied it in to the OP xD)

[Mofra]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

Do you think the Port game played any part. Once we got a roll on against them we literally rolled over them. Wonder if the players thought the same was going to happen?

Not being aware or respecting your opponent is a good argument against winning if we have that mindset (see how I tied it in to the OP xD)

It's what 6-6-6 does - make it much harder for teams to stop momentum.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

It's what 6-6-6 does - make it much harder for teams to stop momentum.

Had this chat with some friends who have a bit of coaching experience. They were speculating you may be able to drop your wings deep to the back of the square with a mindset to run back into defence and your half forwards do the same to cover the centre.

Thought it had some merit, particularly if there's a fumbled mark or ground ball from the clearance.

Wonder if it's something we will see happen? Might just not be possible. As i've stated before on here I like watching amazing defence as much as I like scoring. 666 really just has one purpose and that's more goals which seems strange to me.

[Mofra]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

Had this chat with some friends who have a bit of coaching experience. They were speculating you may be able to drop your wings deep to the back of the square with a mindset to run back into defence and your half forwards do the same to cover the centre.

Thought it had some merit, particularly if there's a fumbled mark or ground ball from the clearance.

Wonder if it's something we will see happen? Might just not be possible. As i've stated before on here I like watching amazing defence as much as I like scoring. 666 really just has one purpose and that's more goals which seems strange to me.

I actually thought about this early last year, but I wonder if that means teams would force a 'messy' clearance out to one side of the ground to an unopposed wingman?

FWIW I know we (and others) have had a HF sprint tot he contest at the centre bounce to try and gain an advantage as an outnumber. Probably works better for teams that can run and carry as any quick kick out of the centre would likely be marked by the opposition.

[Bornadog]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

Agreed which is why I wonder if we were frozen by fatigue. We became statues figuratively and literally, physically AND mentally. .

This is also what I have been saying, there seems to be no other explanation.

[mjp]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

Had this chat with some friends who have a bit of coaching experience. They were speculating you may be able to drop your wings deep to the back of the square with a mindset to run back into defence and your half forwards do the same to cover the centre.

Thought it had some merit, particularly if there's a fumbled mark or ground ball from the clearance.

I hate it because you're conceding 1v none to the opposition wingers...who if they're smart would pull 15m back off the centre square (further away from the chasing half forwards and kick it over the heads of those sliding defenders.

BUT. It would have been nice to see us try SOMETHING.

[jeemak]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

This is also what I have been saying, there seems to be no other explanation.

When have you ever mentioned that?

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

I’m very confident. This group is determined and supportive of each other. We don’t need to make big changes, we need consistency and a few minor tweaks around the edges with a bit of better luck with continuity.

Will we win? Who knows. But we will be right in the thick of it and we have Bont and Naughts and Baz.

[Bornadog]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

When have you ever mentioned that?

Not sure if this is serious or not.

[jeemak]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

Not sure if this is serious or not.

Not serious. I think it's been pretty clear you believe fatigue played a major factor if not being the main factor in our demise on grand final day.

To me it was a bit of a perfect storm of multiple factors including an opposition that had ultimate confidence in its ability to lift.

[Bornadog]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

To me it was a bit of a perfect storm of multiple factors including an opposition that had ultimate confidence in its ability to lift.

Once another teams confidence grows, and heads start to drop it is a recipe for defeat.

The mental side of sport is sometimes under rated. The old saying is 90% of performance is above the shoulders.

Anyway, enough said on the GF, we have to show in 2022, we are mentally tough enough for the whole season, and believe in each other.;Hopefully it will be another exciting season. A must is top four, no more getting there the hard way.

[Topdog]

Re: Argue against us winning the flag.

I thought I was ready to return but reading through this thread I'm not sure.