WB Game Day V Carlton R2 2022

[Grantysghost]

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Maybe I'm dumbing it down but we kick 5.4 instead of 2.7 in the last and we'd all be happy.

It's not panic stations yet.

Spot on chef.

[Danjul]

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I kind of felt this game - and maybe this season - coming. We look reactive for large parts of the game, slow and unskilled. Structurally I'm tired of having next to no key defenders and no ruck support - how are we still in this same position?

I think the reality is we're a 6-10 ranked side. Our midfield group isn't as good as it was in the early part of last year or as team oriented as it needs to be. There's little sacrifice willing to be made. Our back half is horrible, there are few who can actually defend. Up forward, we miss Bruce and ironically JJ.

Our side is terribly unbalanced. Theres now no easy fix.

When I saw the team I felt a disaster was coming. Relying on Naughton’s marking to kick a winning score, English’s inability to touch the ball in a centre bounce to generate drive, lightweight Cordy holding out big bodied tall forwards was all a recipe for disaster. Went to the game and was stunned by how accurate the predictions were. Carlton looked a million dollars compared to our ten cents. McKay marked everything and finished with plenty of goals. (Carlton got their first win in 20 games.)

Just reusing a comment from 2019. Same selection logic, same game plan, same result.

Feel like I should add something new, it’s poor form otherwise. How about:

I heard someone near me at the ground say ‘looks like we’ll be leaving early’. That was at the 20 second mark.

[EasternWest]

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Maybe I'm dumbing it down but we kick 5.4 instead of 2.7 in the last and we'd all be happy.

It's not panic stations yet.

Would we though? Even if we'd won I would still have felt frustrated that we had to win that way, and remain concerned about the holes in our side and game.

I mean, a win would have been better, but in that style is no panacea.

[DOG GOD]

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If we had kicked straight we might’ve won, but it’s all hindsight.
The glaring weaknesses are still there and haven’t been rectified over pre season.
Bruce is out til pretty much round 23, yet we didn’t look at getting another true fwd to replace him.
English is not a #1 ruck.
Cordy and Gardner wouldn’t even be in the Crows or Kangas backline. Let’s be real.
Our midfield are prima donnas not willing to do the hard yards or sacrifice their game for the benefit of the team.
Our fwd line is dysfunctional and slow, can’t hold the ball in, and can’t kick.
Like motley Crüe sings “it’s the same ol situation”.

[chef]

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Would we though? Even if we'd won I would still have felt frustrated that we had to win that way, and remain concerned about the holes in our side and game.

I mean, a win would have been better, but in that style is no panacea.

Well I would have been happy. Carlton are a good young side and we would have had a win.

But maybe my expectations aren't as high as s some. I'm easily pleased haha.

[Bornadog]

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It took forever to get into the ground. The mass congestion trying to get through gate 7 and then trying to get to level 2 was equally terrible. Normally we'd be in the ground and in our seat within 10 minutes. Last night took closer to 25-30.
They have also shut off all the food, drink and toilets down near our allocated seats.
Again I found a heap of Carlton supporters in front and behind us. As TBB said, no longer a bulldog area.

It was harder to get in last night, but I find for starters, public transport is the best way to get to the ground with trams and trains right out the front. The ground is being renovated, so we do have to suck it up a bit till they finish.

My biggest bug bear is how loud the PA system is, I could hardly hear my mate sitting next to me, then there is the lighting (I know I complained earlier) with flashing advertising and what not going on. Very difficult to see players across the other side of the ground.

However, it beats sitting on the sofa and trying to work out what is happening and listening to those drongos calling the game.

[Grantysghost]

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Would we though? Even if we'd won I would still have felt frustrated that we had to win that way, and remain concerned about the holes in our side and game.

I mean, a win would have been better, but in that style is no panacea.

Yes I don't get the if we did this better we would have won argument. I mean, yes we would've. But we didn't so we didn't.

Maybe Carlton defended well to push our shots out to harder positions so they played a part in those misses.

I agree it's not panic stations though.

It's worried index finger tapping mouth whilst wistfully looking into the distance stations.

[Grantysghost]

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It was harder to get in last night, but I find for starters, public transport is the best way to get to the ground with trams and trains right out the front. The ground is being renovated, so we do have to suck it up a bit till they finish.

My biggest bug bear is how loud the PA system is, I could hardly hear my mate sitting next to me, then there is the lighting (I know I complained earlier) with flashing advertising and what not going on. Very difficult to see players across the other side of the ground.

However, it beats sitting on the sofa and trying to work out what is happening and listening to those drongos calling the game.

It's way too bloody loud! I feel like I'm in a human advertising experiment at times in that joint. Church of Das Kapital or phwat !

I liked the red white and blue lights and the new scoreboards until they put ads all over it.

[Bornadog]

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It's way too bloody loud! I feel like I'm in a human advertising experiment at times in that joint. Church of Das Kapital or phwat !

I liked the red white and blue lights and the new scoreboards until they put ads all over it.

They need to get rid of the old scoreboards and just make them extra seating. The information they produce is actually crap in the way it is presented. There was nothing (or I didn't see it), about who Williams substituted in for.

The Bright Toyota sign was bigger than the picture.

EDIT: I just sent them a complaint through their website. I also suggested they check other supporters to see what they want.

[Mofra]

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They need to get rid of the old scoreboards and just make them extra seating. The information they produce is actually crap in the way it is presented. There was nothing (or I didn't see it), about who Williams substituted in for.

I had to check it on the AFL app, the people I were sitting near couldn't work out who was subbed off either.

[Grantysghost]

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They need to get rid of the old scoreboards and just make them extra seating. The information they produce is actually crap in the way it is presented. There was nothing (or I didn't see it), about who Williams substituted in for.

The Bright Toyota sign was bigger than the picture.

Agree I didn't know where to look for a replay, or to see if Barry from Brunswick out ran the CoinSpot (tm) rocket at 3/4 time

[The bulldog tragician]

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Would we though? Even if we'd won I would still have felt frustrated that we had to win that way, and remain concerned about the holes in our side and game.

I mean, a win would have been better, but in that style is no panacea.

I’d have been thrilled that we stared down a red hot team and found a way to win.

Even with the undoubted and very frustrating team structure issues, and the inaccuracy in the last, I’m more worried about our lack of intensity in the first half. When there were packs, Carlton often physically ripped the ball from our hands. They looked stronger and fitter. As with last week we still had embarrassing dropped marks and fumbles and Bont is clearly hampered.

We lost the last 3 games of the season and still made a GF. Tom Boyd commented pre season that 4 points are always just 4 points - whether it’s an ugly win against lowly opposition in July, or a brilliant start to the season. I’m trying to hold onto that, but it does feel like some inner conviction or determination from the team has gone missing post GF.

[soupman]

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We continue to force ourselves to try and win on hard mode.

We nearly did it last night, and it's a testament to how good we are that despite some outrageous weaknesses we are still so good. And if we win last night obviously everyone is feeling so much better, but it's so easy to get dispirited when the same bullshit issues keep arising.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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I'm saying it's game on if they are kicked, not that we definitely win.

The first of the five if kicked changes the future, and the other four don't happen. The ball could have easily gone back to the centre and been marched out of there by Carlton and Kurnow could have kicked his sixth......all I'm saying we kick one of those and we have an opportunity to change the future.

Spot on Jee. Going back to the centre after a goal, presents a new contest in an entirely different position of the ground. We got multiple shots, because after each behind we were able to set up defensively and keep the ball in our area for longer periods of time. This enabled us to generate rhe multiple shots on goals, that we kept missing.

Given Cripps' influence in the middle, any of those shots on goals going through would've resulted in a centre bounce, and a completely different 50/50 contest, without the ability for us to set up and lock the ball in our area.

That's not to say a goal for us, wouldn't also have lifted our confidence and give us a better chance to get on top in the ensuing centre bounce and generate another shot. But the point is, its all conjecture as to what happens if we were to have kicked one of those.

Having said that, the fact we were able to check their 1st half dominance, when we could've dropped our bundle, says the group isn't as flat as we might presume.

The second half demonstrates they're still in sync and full of belief and are clearly receptive to whatever it was Beveridge and the coaching team spoke to them about at half time.

[Danjul]

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The ruck will continue to be an issue as long as Beveridge is at the helm. Let’s not pretend it’s going to change.
While pretty much every other team embraces the 2 ruck role, we are embarrassing the likes of Cordy, Hannan and Schache, while burning English into the ground. I’m pretty much over the fact.

Martin will be lucky to play 5 games.
Sweet was retained in case English gets injured.
It’s a farce.

I saw a ruck contest where we had no one, and I also saw Dunkley. Or has the ruck farce gone on so long that I’m imagining things?

One thing that I didn’t like was failing to stand the mark. Normally the player with the ball has to go back 10 metres. Now their 50m penetration kicks become 60m kicks and their accurate 35 m passes are 45 m passes. Take the 10m gifts away and the opposition needs another kick to go the length of the ground.