Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

[mjp]

Just a general quiz on how everyone is looking back at the 2020 trade period - when Treloar fell out of Collingwood's burning building and landed RIGHT on our doorstep!

Hi Adam!

Unfortunately meant that in the 2021 trade period, one of our young mids exited through the side door (landing - without even a hint or irony) at Collingwood.

Bye Pat.

We've now seen R1 of 2022 and both players performed strongly - albeit Lipinski is (approx cos I'm too lazy to look up the details) 6 years younger and $600k in the wallet lighter (each season - though which club is paying the wages is an interesting question)...

Is this trade that wasn't really a trade going the way we had hoped? Or are all the numbers coming up Pies??

[1eyedog]

Re: Adam Treloar or Pat Lipinski...there can be only one.

You want to make an omelette you gotta crack some eggs. Treloar is comfortably in front of Lippa if that's what your asking but who knows what the future holds. Outside of his injuries I've generally been very impressed with Treloar as a player since he made the move over. He rarely puts in a bad game and immediately made us look better with his burst speed over the first 10 metres and his ability to hit the scoreboard on the run from practically anywhere.

As for Lippa, we simply couldn't sustain our plethora of slow mids, especially ones that appear to lack intensity. Lippa was way behind a number of our players.

Can the Pies utilise his skill set more effectively? Possibly. Can Lippa maintain the rage? I'm not so sure. What I do know is that Adz is repaying our faith in him every time he runs out on the ground for us. We've got so many stars that he sometimes goes under the radar for us, but he's a super player.

[Mofra]

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Lippa would not get the same opportunity with us as he's getting with Collingwood.
His fortes are endurance and kicking which seems to suit the MCG better than Docklands.

Good luck to him but Treloar at his best is a game breaker. Lippa at his best is a 'good contributer'.
Treloar was possibly our best player in the GF which means he has to be considered ahead.

Some players leave us and I'd still like them to do well - Roughy and Hamling spring to mind, and Lippa is in the same boat for me.

[EasternWest]

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Lippa would not get the same opportunity with us as he's getting with Collingwood.
His fortes are endurance and kicking which seems to suit the MCG better than Docklands.

Good luck to him but Treloar at his best is a game breaker. Lippa at his best is a 'good contributer'.
Treloar was possibly our best player in the GF which means he has to be considered ahead.

Some players leave us and I'd still like them to do well - Roughy and Hamling spring to mind, and Lippa is in the same boat for me.

Agree with this. Really happy if Lipinski does well. No losers in this trade.

[Bulldog Joe]

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I am comfortable with where it sits, although I concede Lippa will be a major ball magnet at Collingwood way after Treloar has retired.

Treloar is much more likely to be a major game changer when it matters.

[Testekill]

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Yeah ultimately Lipinski would have been pushed out of the team even without Treloar, he's a touch too slow to play outside and his physical efforts are a bit too slack to justify playing him anyone where he isn't part of the starting midfield brigade.

[Mantis]

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Agree with this. Really happy if Lipinski does well. No losers in this trade.

We could be if Darcy & Jones don't have good AFL careers.

Whilst Lipinski was excess to our requirements given his skillset, you still need to be able to replace AFL standard players with players of need and not give them away for nothing.

[Cyberdoggie]

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One good game doesn't make him elite. Let's see how he goes when he gets more attention.
He's got a lot of talent and is a great kick of the ball but has always been slow and lacking defensive efforts, and doesn't like
the the hard stuff.

[soupman]

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I think the bigger cost of Treloar is one we won't know, in that I think whatever portion of his salary we are paying took up the last bit of leeway in our cap. So by recruiting Treloar we passed on our flexibility to bring in a different ready made recruit, whether that was a key defender or ruck or whatever.

I really liked Lipinski but the role he plays is basically Macrae, except Jackson is much much better, especially at the contested stuff. I think Treloar has done more to hold back Smith's move into the midfield than he did Lipinski's (although he did push Lipinski one spot further down the queue).

[whythelongface]

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Treloar hands down. He will prove to be elite with us. Lippa played well against an average team. Let’s see how he goes against better midfields and becomes more consistent before determining the value of the trade for both clubs. It may well be a win/ win for both.

[Scraggers]

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The only reason I was upset to lose Lipinski was the fact that he was a Bulldogs supporter.
If you go back through the game day threads and read the bazillion comments about his disposal, Treloar wins this trade every day of the week and twice on the Sabbath.

[GVGjr]

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I'm dirty on the fact we lost Lipinski. He had a future with us.
Treloars clearly the better player but Lippa could have been a player we groomed to be a run with option

[Go_Dogs]

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Lipinski is a victim of timing, and a good run with injury in his best position. If he was 4 years younger he was the ideal replacement for a Libba type role in our 22, but alas, he hit his prime years while we had better players in those spots.

Treloar is a jet, and point of difference for our team. Remain very happy with this, although sure the Pies are happy they got one back on us too. Swings and roundabouts…

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I like Lippa but he's a contributor and not much more than that given his severe lack of pace and intensity. The latter looked better in his R1 outing, but I feel intensity is a thing you either have or you don't and I suspect we see more of what we know from him across the year.

He's actually a perfect foil for a side like Collingwood, in that he isn't good enough to be a starter in a contending midfield, but he's an option for sides in the 6th-18th range.

I thought we should have put him up for trade a year earlier to maximise value, but alas, it happened how it happened.

I wish him well but his 'type' isn't hard to find in the draft. Treloar's is pretty bloody hard, though.

[Twodogs]

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Trealor for mine. It's not often that a player you've always wanted lands in your lap and I've been a huge Trealor fan since he was at GWS.