It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

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  • josie
    Coaching Staff
    • Oct 2012
    • 4401

    #16
    Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

    Didn’t the Blues help improve Casboults goal kicking a fair bit? Didn’t one of Rocca brothers help Cloke too? 20% improvement would’ve worth it.
    Josie :)

    Our day will come
    And we'll have everything.
    We'll share the joy
    Just like '54 again.

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    • MrMahatma
      Coaching Staff
      • Sep 2007
      • 3966

      #17
      Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

      Surely it can be improved. Golfers improve their swing. I get it… ball moving etc. Tennis players can become better at serving.

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      • chef
        Hall of Fame
        • Nov 2008
        • 14582

        #18
        Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

        Originally posted by The Underdog
        Should Naughton just change his technique to a snap regardless of where he is? He’s clearly not improving as a set shot, something needs to change.
        Yeah he should give what Harry McKay does a go
        The curse is dead.

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        • GVGjr
          Moderator
          • Nov 2006
          • 44304

          #19
          Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

          Originally posted by josie
          Didn’t the Blues help improve Casboults goal kicking a fair bit? Didn’t one of Rocca brothers help Cloke too? 20% improvement would’ve worth it.
          All true, it can happen.
          Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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          • MrMahatma
            Coaching Staff
            • Sep 2007
            • 3966

            #20
            Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

            Is it worse to not be “hard enough”, or to regularly miss shots at goal.

            Schache gets tossed around cause apparently he looks lazy or scared or something… but at least he can convert. I’d play him ahead of Hannan, McNeil, Butler, Scott… Cordy (as fwd).

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            • DOG GOD
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jul 2007
              • 6393

              #21
              Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

              Originally posted by MrMahatma
              Is it worse to not be “hard enough”, or to regularly miss shots at goal.

              Schache gets tossed around cause apparently he looks lazy or scared or something… but at least he can convert. I’d play him ahead of Hannan, McNeil, Butler, Scott… Cordy (as fwd).
              Totally agree. He’d probably offer more to the team in team balance alone than all those players, who are nothing but bits players with no real position.
              I will never see #16 the same!!

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              • Grantysghost
                Bouncing Strong
                • Apr 2010
                • 18898

                #22
                Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

                Originally posted by GVGjr
                All true, it can happen.
                Nick Reiwoldt, Stewie Loewe, Tredrea all improved to an extent.
                Naughton's technique is pretty horrible though, but I guess it's getting better.
                So frustrating though!
                BT COME BACK!​

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                • Ghost Dog
                  WOOF Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 9404

                  #23
                  Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

                  Barry Hall would be an excellent kicking coach.
                  You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                  • soupman
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 5091

                    #24
                    Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

                    Originally posted by MrMahatma
                    Is it worse to not be “hard enough”, or to regularly miss shots at goal.

                    Schache gets tossed around cause apparently he looks lazy or scared or something… but at least he can convert. I’d play him ahead of Hannan, McNeil, Butler, Scott… Cordy (as fwd).
                    This is a different argument.

                    Bringing in Schache doesn't fix the issues with everyone else re conversion, and while occasionally a steadying goal can help mitigate it Schache doesn't have a big enough influence on games for this to be anything more than an anomaly imo.
                    I should leave it alone but you're not right

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                    • soupman
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 5091

                      #25
                      Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

                      I think for a lot of our players we should be just changing the approach. Bont and Hunter for starters frequently miss easy shots inside 40. Both are great snaps on the run. Both should be adopting the Steve Johnson method to at least see if it has merit.
                      I should leave it alone but you're not right

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                      • Vred
                        Senior Player
                        • Nov 2018
                        • 1297

                        #26
                        Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

                        Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                        Barry Hall would be an excellent kicking coach.

                        His someone we really should of targeted for forward line coach, not an ex Eagles/Sydney/Hawks defender...
                        [I][B]"Its always good to win the Ashes test match'' - Libba, AFL Grand Final, 2016[/B][/I]

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                        • Danjul
                          WOOF Member
                          • Apr 2019
                          • 1601

                          #27
                          Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

                          Originally posted by soupman
                          This is a different argument.

                          Bringing in Schache doesn't fix the issues with everyone else re conversion, and while occasionally a steadying goal can help mitigate it Schache doesn't have a big enough influence on games for this to be anything more than an anomaly imo.
                          This is simply an urban myth.

                          Schache played consistent excellent games at the end of 2019 and was banished. Could not get a game after being a proven consistent goal kicker. He played consistent good games at the end of 2021 against finals teams and was banished.

                          I’m happy with that. Just stop insulting my intelligence by saying he is always crap - because it’s not correct. I’m tired of seeing players do as bad in a game and worse over consecutive games and be selected. We have seen players barely touch the ball this year but get told they are meeting KPIs.

                          Doesn’t anyone at the club know that KPIs are hierarchical. Kicking goals is up near the top, and Schache and 3 others can do it reliably from 50m. So the genius in the game plan is how to get the ball to them. Time to address that and stop serving up this 17 goals out of 70 shots rubbish.

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                          • MrMahatma
                            Coaching Staff
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 3966

                            #28
                            Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

                            Originally posted by soupman
                            This is a different argument.

                            Bringing in Schache doesn't fix the issues with everyone else re conversion, and while occasionally a steadying goal can help mitigate it Schache doesn't have a big enough influence on games for this to be anything more than an anomaly imo.
                            But Hannan, Scott, Butler, McNeil do?

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                            • Ghost Dog
                              WOOF Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 9404

                              #29
                              Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

                              I really love Josh's kicking action. You are right Danjul he is an excellent shot for goal.
                              You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                              • macca
                                Coaching Staff
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 2352

                                #30
                                Re: It's a very simple problem - Hit your Free Throws

                                Originally posted by Danjul
                                It is definitely poor technique. For example, against Sydney, Naughton kicked a very good goal from a significant distance. Shortly after, he missed to the left with a set shot from much closer. His body stance was obviously very different from where I was sitting. In the first he was over the ball and kicked through it. In the second he was leaning back. It was a repeat of Bruce in 2020. Needs to practise kicking from 30, 35 then 40 m with his right foot to refocus body alignment.
                                ALL PLAYERS needs to practice technique under fatigue. When your tired , your body will revert backt to what comes naturally. LYON use to ask his forwards at end of training to practice goal kicking . I wonder what they actually do for practice ? If anyone can share observation from training sessions it would be greaf ?.

                                Jack and Nick Riewold were poor kicks at the start of their careers. Last nigths 50 m out torp,J.Riewoldt shows how much he improved ,he even practices with ear phones playing with the crowd noise

                                It irritates me, we picked grant ahead of Riewoldt, and his actually improved every year , whereas Grant , wtf did we see him as a long term footballer ???

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