Three things you've learned round six 2022 v Adelaide

[MrMahatma]

Re: Three things you've learned round six 2022 v Adelaide

It's a quote worth highlighting.

It's a tough gig, but how do you keep your job if you haven't fulfilled your role? If we have been unable to attract a KPD or Ruck after being the second best side all year/making a GF, that's a concern.

The AFL is far too forgiving of an industry in reality. People get paid to underperform all the time. Most other sports around the world are far more 'brutal', but I agree with you - we shouldn't be paying for 'attempting'. If you can't get it done, move on.

With salary cap plus draft picks allocated to JUH and Darcy, where was the currency available to get it done? I guess we could’ve traded blokes out. Who? (I know…. Dunkley right?)

In the last 2 years we’ve brought in Treloar (gun… we had to do that deal), JUH, Darcy, OBrien. For mine, all make us better. Trading a decent ruck in would be hard in that period due to currency. Drafting a speculative one from state league would’ve prob been our best bet.

[Missing Dog]

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Did we HAVE to do the Treloar deal? I like him and I agree that he's a gun but did we need him? Could we have used that money elsewhere?

[GVGjr]

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Did we HAVE to do the Treloar deal? I like him and I agree that he's a gun but did we need him? Could we have used that money elsewhere?

It's a good question, so much was riding seeing off the Dunkley wish to leave and acquiring points for JUH I think it caught many by surprise that Treloar went from a back-up option to an additional mid without quite thinking of where all the pieces would land.

The thing is that Treloar has a point of difference over many others in our midfield rotation with his pace. He and Smith have really added a fair bit. Ideally we need to move Macrae to a wing and modify Dunkley to have a bit more of a defensive mindset.
How much more can we rely on Liberatore?

[Danjul]

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With salary cap plus draft picks allocated to JUH and Darcy, where was the currency available to get it done? I guess we could’ve traded blokes out. Who? (I know…. Dunkley right?)

In the last 2 years we’ve brought in Treloar (gun… we had to do that deal), JUH, Darcy, OBrien. For mine, all make us better. Trading a decent ruck in would be hard in that period due to currency. Drafting a speculative one from state league would’ve prob been our best bet.

We did that with Sweet. He looked ok in the vfl getting many hitouts and kicking a few goals. Tried In the firsts, was ok and had a good game against the Saints last year. His stats in that game were similar to English at the time. Met Gawn the next week and that was it. Since then the ruck situation has cost the dogs half a dozen games.

Cordy got 7 disposals and 7 hitouts. Everyone is thrilled that he has graduated to this level. No way we would accept that performance from Sweet. What if he doubled it? Still no.

Sweet is another Schache or Young. By the way how is Young going? I looked it up. 19 disposals, 9 marks and a goal. Double O’Brien’s return. Not bad in a losing team. We might have won with him in the team on the weekend, and I saw him play well in Ballarat previously (I think).

We specialise in carrying passengers and saying it’s important that they can learn in the firsts. It is the same false logic that has players in the wrong positions. What is Cordy’s best position? Third key defender. If he had been there instead of the ruck, and Williams had been on a wing instead of…. we would have won easily on Saturday.

Our recent losses are not bad luck or unavoidable. They have been manufactured. That’s how I see it.

[MrMahatma]

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Did we HAVE to do the Treloar deal? I like him and I agree that he's a gun but did we need him? Could we have used that money elsewhere?

Given the Pies are paying a chunk, and I (my opinion) think he’s an A-Grader, then you do that deal. More high end talent on your list is a positive. So I say we “had” to do it cause you’d be crazy not to. Like taking JUH or Darcy, we didn’t “have” to do them. But would you not?

[Bornadog]

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Did we HAVE to do the Treloar deal? I like him and I agree that he's a gun but did we need him? Could we have used that money elsewhere?

A player like Treloar drops into your lap do you say no? Crazy if you do.

[soupman]

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Treloar was an awesome piece of unnecessary business. Does he make a difference? Of course. But the opportunity cost of getting him arguably makes a bigger difference.

When it became apparent we were going to get him we should have moved Dunkley for a first and a second (happy to give a pick back). Doesnt matter if we were getting slight unders for him considering we were getting Treloar for massive unders.

[Bornadog]

Re: Three things you've learned round six 2022 v Adelaide

Treloar was an awesome piece of unnecessary business. Does he make a difference? Of course. But the opportunity cost of getting him arguably makes a bigger difference.

When it became apparent we were going to get him we should have moved Dunkley for a first and a second (happy to give a pick back). Doesnt matter if we were getting slight unders for him considering we were getting Treloar for massive unders.

Also a big risk. Do you give up a player at age 24, who is worth a first and second rounder to get two players that may or may not be good enough? I prefer to stick with the known quality.

[GVGjr]

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Also a big risk. Do you give up a player at age 24, who is worth a first and second rounder to get two players that may or may not be good enough? I prefer to stick with the known quality.

It all comes down to if you think your in a rebuild phase and that the wider playing list needs to be kick started.
It was a decent offer but like you I'm glad we held firm.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: Three things you've learned round six 2022 v Adelaide

Treloar was an awesome piece of unnecessary business. Does he make a difference? Of course. But the opportunity cost of getting him arguably makes a bigger difference.

When it became apparent we were going to get him we should have moved Dunkley for a first and a second (happy to give a pick back). Doesnt matter if we were getting slight unders for him considering we were getting Treloar for massive unders.

On a day where we have no easy path to goals, Treloar kicks two goals. Not only two goals, but both which any other player on our list would probably struggle to convert. A nice piece of craft in tight space from the boundary for one goal. Another classic Treloar burst goal on the run from 50m. He is worth the price for what we did to get him. He aint the issue.

From 23 games for the Dogs he has 19 goals. Nearly a goal a game is a good going for a mid.

[1eyedog]

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On a day where we have no easy path to goals, Treloar kicks two goals. Not only two goals, but both which any other player on our list would probably struggle to convert. A nice piece of craft in tight space from the boundary for one goal. Another classic Treloar burst goal on the run from 50m. He is worth the price for what we did to get him. He aint the issue.

100% Treloar has been sensational this season.

[soupman]

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On a day where we have no easy path to goals, Treloar kicks two goals. Not only two goals, but both which any other player on our list would probably struggle to convert. A nice piece of craft in tight space from the boundary for one goal. Another classic Treloar burst goal on the run from 50m. He is worth the price for what we did to get him. He aint the issue.

From 23 games for the Dogs he has 19 goals. Nearly a goal a game is a good going for a mid.

I like Treloar.

Just saying in hindsight getting him should've meant losing Dunkley, not keeping both.

I know we made the Grand Final and all but seeing as we didn't win it makes it much easier to pick apart where we went wrong.

[jeemak]

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If only someone had the foresight to suggest a trade for Dunkley at the time.

[azabob]

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If only someone had the foresight to suggest a trade for Dunkley at the time.

It now seems fairly obvious, a bit like having a contract thread for a quick reference guide.

Hindsight and all that.

[jeemak]

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It now seems fairly obvious, a bit like having a contract thread for a quick reference guide.

Hindsight and all that.

One of the reasons why I wanted to trade him was to bring in something different to the midfield, and interestingly if we had have let him go we would possibly still have had Treloar fall into our laps anyway.

What does our midfield look like with Treloar and another zippier mid playing there/ on the wing, and possibly Lipinski providing some inside flexibility? What else could we have picked up to help in the ruck or in defence?

Could be a genuine sliding doors outcome.