Always Right Match Committee Round 18 V St. Kilda At Marvel On Friday Night

[azabob]

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and one who also struggles at AFL level

Lets forget about disposals for a moment and focus on what the job of a ruckman is.

As a ruckman who contests the ruck, when it comes to man on man combat English is bog average.

I'm still dumbfounded how he barely broke even with Sam Reid and Joel Amarty?

English should've dominated the hit outs and taken 10+ marks

[Bornadog]

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Lets forget about disposals for a moment and focus on what the job of a ruckman is.

As a ruckman who contests the ruck, when it comes to man on man combat English is bog average.

I'm still dumbfounded how he barely broke even with Sam Reid and Joel Amarty?

English should've dominated the hit outs and taken 10+ marks

One game coming back from concussion.

Overall for the season he is averaging 21 disposals, 6 marks and 24 hitouts. Yes hitouts aren't huge, but the modern ruckman is not just hitouts.

[The bulldog tragician]

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Anyone know why Keath was on the bench for a while? He didn’t seem to be being assessed for an injury but it was longer than just a rotation??

[Danjul]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 V St. Kilda At Marvel On Friday Night

One game coming back from concussion.

Overall for the season he is averaging 21 disposals, 6 marks and 24 hitouts. Yes hitouts aren't huge, but the modern ruckman is not just hitouts.

You knew that, I knew that, everyone knew that. Except the selection panel who simply assumed he would immediately play career best footy.

I was happy with English’s non ruck game, but not anticipating a ruck problem was another selection blunder.

[Grantysghost]

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Anyone know why Keath was on the bench for a while? He didn’t seem to be being assessed for an injury but it was longer than just a rotation??

I noticed that too BT. Was nearly 10 minutes from memory in the 3rd?

I get the feeling they were so exasperated with the back-line function they were trying anything and everything.

Might have served as a little kick up the pants too.

[Bornadog]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 V St. Kilda At Marvel On Friday Night

I noticed that too BT. Was nearly 10 minutes from memory in the 3rd?

I get the feeling they were so exasperated with the back-line function they were trying anything and everything.

Might have served as a little kick up the pants too.

He had his boot off, so may have an injury, although did get back on the ground.

[Scraggers]

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Not really. I think in the seniors Sweet would get a bit more footy.

I think we are a better football team when we have two ruckman playing.

I still hold the view our best football over the past two years is when Martin was rucking and English was playing as the 3rd tall.

It's an interesting point you make, and whilst I don't necessarily disagree, I attended the Eagles v Carlton game and watched with interest the role Silvani played in the win. With Silvani as a forward and pinch hitting ruck, Carlton have dominated the clearances and look to sew up a double chance. It is not just us going into games with one dedicated ruckman (not saying that you suggested that), but it seems to be the way of the world right now.

[azabob]

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It's an interesting point you make, and whilst I don't necessarily disagree, I attended the Eagles v Carlton game and watched with interest the role Silvani played in the win. With Silvani as a forward and pinch hitting ruck, Carlton have dominated the clearances and look to sew up a double chance. It is not just us going into games with one dedicated ruckman (not saying that you suggested that), but it seems to be the way of the world right now.

I think the key does your second ruckman provide a consistent contest. This is the difference with Silvangi compared to say Schache.

The other question is from a team viewpoint is English more suited to the ruck role or 2nd ruck/ forward role?

[comrade]

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I think the key does your second ruckman provide a consistent contest. This is the difference with Silvangi compared to say Schache.

The other question is from a team viewpoint is English more suited to the ruck role or 2nd ruck/ forward role?

If we had a decent, physical number 1 ruck (not a world beater, Tom Hickey level for example) with Tim doing 30% rucking/70% high forward and roaming around, we’d be much, much better off in the forward half than Timmy as #1 and the rotating support cast of misfits we are currently trying to shoe horn in.

Obviously doesn’t help our defensive woes too much but it would probably have a flow on effect where they’re not exposed as much.

Now that English has signed a multi year deal, we should just go and recruit a proper ruck and tell Timmy to play forward and suck it up for the better of the team. If we start winning, he won’t leave.

[DOG GOD]

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Any chance that if we get Lobb, Timmy will take centre bounce and move to defensive 50 arc, with Lobb playing more a CHF role ?

[hujsh]

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If we had a decent, physical number 1 ruck (not a world beater, Tom Hickey level for example) with Tim doing 30% rucking/70% high forward and roaming around, we’d be much, much better off in the forward half than Timmy as #1 and the rotating support cast of misfits we are currently trying to shoe horn in.

Obviously doesn’t help our defensive woes too much but it would probably have a flow on effect where they’re not exposed as much.

Now that English has signed a multi year deal, we should just go and recruit a proper ruck and tell Timmy to play forward and suck it up for the better of the team. If we start winning, he won’t leave.

Wasn't it just 2? Getting him to Free agent status.

Boy I wish some thread existed where I could check a detail like that. Maybe it's up on Footywire?

[Grantysghost]

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Wasn't it just 2? Getting him to Free agent status.

Boy I wish some thread existed where I could check a detail like that. Maybe it's up on Footywire?

afltables.

[Vred]

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Keath not listed on our injury list, but Naughton is set to test.

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1170663/?fbclid=IwAR0xSJYFN_mnwf2fok1WJkT_duFhAkeIsgmtHA8-ZFQUIvFx_scU5ZEb9Do

I'd be bringing in Cleary, Bruce and McLean at this point, nothing to lose

[comrade]

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Wasn't it just 2? Getting him to Free agent status.

Boy I wish some thread existed where I could check a detail like that. Maybe it's up on Footywire?

2 is multi year isn’t it?

[azabob]

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Keath not listed on our injury list, but Naughton is set to test.

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1170663/?fbclid=IwAR0xSJYFN_mnwf2fok1WJkT_duFhAkeIsgmtHA8-ZFQUIvFx_scU5ZEb9Do

I'd be bringing in Cleary, Bruce and McLean at this point, nothing to lose

Who are you dropping?