What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

**MrMahatma** · 08-09-2022, 12:36 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Is that aggressive enough to be called aggresive?

I’d say it’d be more like:

EG: We want Grundy, Barass, Jnr Rioli, Lobb.

We give up our first rounder, Dunkley, next year’s first, and prob 1 or 2 other best 22. Give quality to get quality. EG: Caleb or Dale. Weightman as you say. Moving on fridge players wouldn’t be aggressive. I’m not suggesting we do get rid of best 22 players, but… if we don’t give up quality we won’t get it. And if we want to fill list needs with quality replacements, it’s gonna hurt and also, be a bit of a gamble. Chips in.

We won’t do that. We’ll get Lobb and Jones. Get picks for Dunks and JJ and draft. And… well… hope.

**hujsh** · 08-09-2022, 01:00 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

The tide sure has turned on Weightman quickly. One of the top scoring general forwards in the game, has the best accuracy of any non key forward with more than 35 goals (Mitch Lewis and just barely Lynch beat him out) , is our most accurate and second most prolific goal scorer this year, 2nd for average pressure acts among our forwards (I know it's a meme but what else to do have to quantify forward half pressure), 4th for average tackles inside 50 and 4th in the team for average ground ball gets inside 50 (I dunno how else to quantify crumbing).

So what's the pitch there? Sell the only natural non-tall forward we have and just play McNeil more or something? He goes for marks and that can be annoying sometimes when he makes the wrong call but is that such a crime that we don't want to play with him anymore? Far as we know he's encouraged to do that anyway.

TLDR; Leave him alone. I like him.

**Happy Days** · 08-09-2022, 01:04 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Weightman dislocated his damn elbow in game and played the rest of the season through it (hurting it at least one other time). That�s a big deal!

If he got surgery on it (like I assume he�s gonna do this off season) and missed the time he gutted out then we�re probably all glowing over him. Trading him is insane.

**Bornadog** · 08-09-2022, 01:28 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Originally posted by hujsh

The tide sure has turned on Weightman quickly. One of the top scoring general forwards in the game, has the best accuracy of any non key forward with more than 35 goals (Mitch Lewis and just barely Lynch beat him out) , is our most accurate and second most prolific goal scorer this year, 2nd for average pressure acts among our forwards (I know it's a meme but what else to do have to quantify forward half pressure), 4th for average tackles inside 50 and 4th in the team for average ground ball gets inside 50 (I dunno how else to quantify crumbing).

So what's the pitch there? Sell the only natural non-tall forward we have and just play McNeil more or something? He goes for marks and that can be annoying sometimes when he makes the wrong call but is that such a crime that we don't want to play with him anymore? Far as we know he's encouraged to do that anyway.

TLDR; Leave him alone. I like him.

Well said hujsh, I honestly don't get the bagging of him. Sure he has weaknesses, don't all players. He is a proven goal kicker.

**Bornadog** · 08-09-2022, 01:30 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Originally posted by Scraggers

So this is what I would consider ...
JJ out - (GC apparently) - second round pick for him
Hunter out - TWWCG (take what we can get)
Martin - Delisted
Crozier - TWWCG/Delisted
Cordy - TWWCG
Bruce - TWWCG
Vandermeer - Actively shopped around
Keath - Actively shopped around
Dunkley - Seems he is set to leave for a first round pick from Port (although I'd prefer he stay)
McComb - just because

And one of Weightman or Khamis ... both would state their cases on why they should be kept but if I'm being aggressive ...

this would cost the club a fortune as there are contracts in place for Crozier, Hunter, Bruce, VDM, Keath and McComb

**GVGjr** · 08-09-2022, 01:53 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

We shouldn't need to be aggressive and when that happens it's typically because the previous plan or the execution of that plan was flawed to begin with and now it needs a more assertive response.

The 4 P's apply

We need to be professional this year and not hold a lot on sentiment in our decision making. I'll go through the players in the opening post.

Johannisen to GC makes a bit of sense and it would be a nice reward for him to get a 3 year deal.
We would probably get a 2nd or 3rd round compensation pick for him as well which looks like a win win.

Hunter has been a very good player for us and a popular team mate for so many. He has two more years on a contract but if he wants to go then if we were to get a 3rd rounder for him I'd do it because it would free up a lot of money.

Martin will retire.

Crozier is very much like Hunter, he was a solid player for us and we struck an overly generous contract and I'd be happy with a swap of picks if he could find another club. We should be proactive in helping him find another home.

Cordy has done pretty well but is limited. If we have offered him another contract then that isn't then end of the world but he is very much a back-up option.

Bruce will be fine and I'm confident he will get back into reasonable form but probably shouldn't be an automatic selection.

Vandermeer needs some more time. He's worth keeping but should not be regarded as one of Bevo's shiny toys for next season.

Keath is a keeper if he doesn't retire.

Dunkley if he goes should net us a 1st and 3rd rounder or something creative in terms of a pick swap.
I want to keep him but we will know soon enough.

We could package up a few 3rd rounders and have a talk to the Lions to see what we can do to help them land Ashcroft and Fletcher we might be able to turn that into a later first rounder.

Other players to consider

Schache is a player I really don't want to lose because he might even be at a stage where his best football is in front of him.
Losing a talented player like Schache and keeping Cordy is a bit hard to fathom from my perspective.

West is another player we should do our best to keep. His best football is clearly in front of him.

**Scraggers** · 08-09-2022, 02:22 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Originally posted by hujsh

The tide sure has turned on Weightman quickly. One of the top scoring general forwards in the game, has the best accuracy of any non key forward with more than 35 goals (Mitch Lewis and just barely Lynch beat him out) , is our most accurate and second most prolific goal scorer this year, 2nd for average pressure acts among our forwards (I know it's a meme but what else to do have to quantify forward half pressure), 4th for average tackles inside 50 and 4th in the team for average ground ball gets inside 50 (I dunno how else to quantify crumbing).

So what's the pitch there? Sell the only natural non-tall forward we have and just play McNeil more or something? He goes for marks and that can be annoying sometimes when he makes the wrong call but is that such a crime that we don't want to play with him anymore? Far as we know he's encouraged to do that anyway.

TLDR; Leave him alone. I like him.

Don't get me wrong, he is close to my favourite player. I love what he does in and around the goals and he is stupidly courageous but am I willing to sell the farm to get my hands on the Cup one/two more times ... absolutely

**DOG GOD** · 08-09-2022, 03:07 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

What I think…

We will get Lobb, and Jones
Take our first rounders to the draft
And do squat all else unfortunately.

Webb and Spangher will also probably keep their places.

I honestly don’t think we have the balls to make the decisions required.

**Scraggers** · 08-09-2022, 03:19 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Originally posted by DOG GOD

What I think…

We will get Lobb, and Jones
Take our first rounders to the draft
And do squat all else unfortunately.

Webb and Spangher will also probably keep their places.

I honestly don’t think we have the balls to make the decisions required.

This is my biggest fear ... we are accepting mediocrity and hoping all others fall around us. Our window is open (just) we need to grab it with both hands; make it a dynasty not a flash in the pan

**F'scary** · 08-09-2022, 04:04 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Existing contracts: I don't think we could afford the cap impacts and cashflow issues stemming from breaking them. That's being too aggressive.

On the other hand, there are so many list cloggers on our roster, I can't believe it when I look. McComb, McNeil, Hannan, Scott, Vandermeer. What happened there? Then there are the guys we have carried into the geriatric stage due to overly generous contracts: Crozier, Keath, Bruce.

So, it looks to me that next year is going to be the year of the purgative. 8 to 10 delisted/retired. The fact that it will be so many after this year's anticipated 6-8 player cull or loss, says that our list management has been poor.

Much of our recruitment is kind of like Hayes had a McComb-over.

**Bornadog** · 08-09-2022, 04:33 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Originally posted by F'scary

Existing contracts: I don't think we could afford the cap impacts and cashflow issues stemming from breaking them. That's being too aggressive.

On the other hand, there are so many list cloggers on our roster, I can't believe it when I look. McComb, McNeil, Hannan, Scott, Vandermeer. What happened there? Then there are the guys we have carried into the geriatric stage due to overly generous contracts: Crozier, Keath, Bruce.

So, it looks to me that next year is going to be the year of the purgative. 8 to 10 delisted/retired. The fact that it will be so many after this year's anticipated 6-8 player cull or loss, says that our list management has been poor.

Much of our recruitment is kind of like Hayes had a McComb-over.

I don't agree McNeil and Scott are list cloggers. Scott is very impressive and McNeil is a young player who has really showed something and is still developing.

VDM showed some genuine ability until he came down with two lots of hamstrings.

Bruce kicked 48 goals last year and then came down with an ACL and Keath has been a great pickup, but again his body let him down this year.

I still don't get the Hannan trade.

**F'scary** · 08-09-2022, 07:14 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Originally posted by bornadog

I don't agree McNeil and Scott are list cloggers. Scott is very impressive and McNeil is a young player who has really showed something and is still developing.

VDM showed some genuine ability until he came down with two lots of hamstrings.

Bruce kicked 48 goals last year and then came down with an ACL and Keath has been a great pickup, but again his body let him down this year.

I still don't get the Hannan trade.

Sounds like we agree on Hannan at least.

**The Bulldogs Bite** · 08-09-2022, 07:27 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Originally posted by bornadog

I don't agree McNeil and Scott are list cloggers. Scott is very impressive and McNeil is a young player who has really showed something and is still developing.

VDM showed some genuine ability until he came down with two lots of hamstrings.

Bruce kicked 48 goals last year and then came down with an ACL and Keath has been a great pickup, but again his body let him down this year.

I still don't get the Hannan trade.

I really don't get it with McNeil. He's not quick, he's unskilled, we should be able to find better.

VDM has never shown anything as a forward either.

**mjp** · 08-09-2022, 07:41 PM

Re: What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

Originally posted by Scraggers

JJ out - (GC apparently) - second round pick for him
Hunter out - TWWCG (take what we can get)
Martin - Delisted
Crozier - TWWCG/Delisted
Cordy - TWWCG
Bruce - TWWCG
Vandermeer - Actively shopped around
Keath - Actively shopped around
Dunkley - Seems he is set to leave for a first round pick from Port (although I'd prefer he stay)
McComb - just because

And one of Weightman or Khamis ... both would state their cases on why they should be kept but if I'm being aggressive ...

This just feels like we are talking about tearing apart the fabric of the club.

Sure - JJ gets 3x years and I'm happy for him. Martin retires.

Hunter needs to be rehabilitated whatever that looks like. Sounds like he needs support not to be kicked to the curb.

I am in the minority I guess but I hope Cordy re-signs for 2-years.

What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

What does an aggressive trade period look like to you?

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