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  • jeemak
    Bulldog Legend
    • Oct 2010
    • 22155

    #16
    Re: Four-headed monster

    Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
    Surely it is the responsibility of the coaches to develop a system that maximises the strengths of the playing group.

    Anything could work but we need them creating space for each other and providing clear targets for the delivery inside 50.

    IF we could actually get that happening we would be very difficult to beat.
    On the eye the stats BAD posted don't really stack up, because what I've highlighted always seems to be an issue for us. We do get volume of opportunity when competitive, which should create more marks naturally until the forward line becomes ridiculously congested which it can.

    I think as I've posted before, when we're not playing well we over-handle the footy and it means defences get time to squeeze back. I'm less worried about forward system as I am about having players around the footy who inside/ outside players and can burst laterally to find some space. I also want to see us be a bit more bold with our midfield kicking which I think we can be given one of our major accumulators who wasn't great/ creative with his feet has now left the club. Bont playing more midfield time should help this as well.
    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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    • bulldogtragic
      The List Manager
      • Jan 2007
      • 34289

      #17
      Re: Four-headed monster

      Originally posted by Go_Dogs
      Would we dare?

      Naughton. Lobb. Jamarra. Darcy.

      With a splash of Chilli.

      I wonder if we’ll see the four-headed monster deployed this year? A lot of it of course depends on roles and form and opposition and weather etc etc. I’d like to see a bit more of Naughton up the field, Jamarra has wheels and can play a few different roles, Lobb is comfortable leading up around the 50m line and Darce has shown he can pluck a mark deep.

      Naughton and Jamarra are (perhaps I’ve proved and one in theory) good enough at ground level to apply pressure and help out with team defence too.

      Thoughts?
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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 15116

        #18
        Re: Four-headed monster

        It can work, but probably not every week.

        We have Melbourne round 1 and Brisbane round 3 - both teams that have 'short' KPDs.
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        • Go_Dogs
          Hall of Fame
          • Jan 2007
          • 10253

          #19
          Re: Four-headed monster

          Bring. It. On.
          Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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          • MrMahatma
            Coaching Staff
            • Sep 2007
            • 3981

            #20
            Re: Four-headed monster

            And maybe they’ll play better together after they’ve played together for a few months?

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            • jeemak
              Bulldog Legend
              • Oct 2010
              • 22155

              #21
              Re: Four-headed monster

              The spread across our 417 disposals today was 266 kicks vs.151 handballs which seems odd for us, and is it a sign of us wanting to move the ball more directly to our tall timbre?*

              Our percentage difference for kicks to handball in 2022 was 32%, this game it was 55%. Will be interesting to see if using the footy by foot becomes a higher priority than sharing it around by hand has been in the past.

              *Timbre on purpose
              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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              • dog town
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2007
                • 1925

                #22
                Re: Four-headed monster

                Originally posted by jeemak
                The spread across our 417 disposals today was 266 kicks vs.151 handballs which seems odd for us, and is it a sign of us wanting to move the ball more directly to our tall timbre?*

                Our percentage difference for kicks to handball in 2022 was 32%, this game it was 55%. Will be interesting to see if using the footy by foot becomes a higher priority than sharing it around by hand has been in the past.

                *Timbre on purpose
                Noticed that ratio as well which will be an interesting watch. Forward 50 entries seemed deliberately deeper to me, could be a bit of the 2020 Stkilda plan coming through where they played the 3 talls and targeted deep entries with crumbers hitting their feet. If they were shallow they were generally wider kicks was my feel without reviewing it.

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 67705

                  #23
                  Re: Four-headed monster

                  They kicked 10 goals between them
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                  • ledge
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 14554

                    #24
                    Re: Four-headed monster

                    Weightman, Scott and Archie make good crumbers , in my opinion I think Jamarra and Naughton are good at it too if they don’t go up together , both have great ground ball skill . Extremely impressed with Scott’s work and positioning yesterday . Under rated.
                    Bring back the biff

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                    • Mofra
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 15116

                      #25
                      Re: Four-headed monster

                      Originally posted by dog town
                      Noticed that ratio as well which will be an interesting watch. Forward 50 entries seemed deliberately deeper to me, could be a bit of the 2020 Stkilda plan coming through where they played the 3 talls and targeted deep entries with crumbers hitting their feet. If they were shallow they were generally wider kicks was my feel without reviewing it.
                      Deeper entries means teams will kick to clear defence... and English looks set to play a kick behind the play to defend the 'down the line' kick.
                      It seems we have a very obvious strategy and it may well be effective against many many teams.
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                      • Mofra
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 15116

                        #26
                        Re: Four-headed monster

                        Originally posted by ledge
                        Weightman, Scott and Archie make good crumbers , in my opinion I think Jamarra and Naughton are good at it too if they don’t go up together , both have great ground ball skill . Extremely impressed with Scott’s work and positioning yesterday . Under rated.
                        Stupidly, Darcy isn't quick but he's surprisingly good below the knees. He's a freak. Thinks very fast to make up for his height when pouncing on the ground ball
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                        • Dazza
                          WOOF Member
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 550

                          #27
                          Re: Four-headed monster

                          I wasn't sure until seeing it yesterday. Think it night work for us. Jamarra and Naughton are agile and quick enough to pressure on the way out.

                          Having English plonked in the middle of the ground certainly helps our chances of intercepting the ball on the way out too.

                          We'll probably have to set up a little different in the wet I'd imagine.

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                          • ledge
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 14554

                            #28
                            Re: Four-headed monster

                            Originally posted by Mofra
                            Stupidly, Darcy isn't quick but he's surprisingly good below the knees. He's a freak. Thinks very fast to make up for his height when pouncing on the ground ball
                            I should have put Darcy in that list . He is quick with handball and great 360 vision.
                            Bring back the biff

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                            • azabob
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15484

                              #29
                              Re: Four-headed monster

                              Originally posted by ledge
                              Weightman, Scott and Archie make good crumbers , in my opinion I think Jamarra and Naughton are good at it too if they don’t go up together , both have great ground ball skill . Extremely impressed with Scott’s work and positioning yesterday . Under rated.
                              Weightman isn't a crumber; perhaps he should be but currently he is not. I'd also put Scott in that basket.

                              Team balance wise A.Jones makes more sense than Weightman but I can't see the MC doing that.
                              More of an In Bruges guy?

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 67705

                                #30
                                Re: Four-headed monster

                                Kane Cornes assessment and ranking of what he took out from practise matches

                                1 - The Dinosaur Dogs

                                Any skepticism that the Dinosaur Dogs couldn’t play together was put to bed on Saturday.


                                Somehow it just worked, granted it was against North Melbourne who were not that strong. The chemistry and synergy they had and the positioning of the forwards worked.


                                Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Aaron Naughton roamed freely and presented to the logos and used their athleticism and speed, while Rory Lobb and Sam Darcy can play closer to goal. Rarely did they get in each other's way.


                                Darcy's courage in the air is something we're going to be talking about this year. He's perhaps the most unique player in AFL history. Has there ever been a 208cm forward or swing position player like him? I can't think of one.


                                The bonus is Lobb doing the forward-half ruck work allowing Tim English to play behind the ball. It looked scary.
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