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  • Mofra
    Hall of Fame
    • Dec 2006
    • 14868

    Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

    Originally posted by Mantis
    Rhylee is going into this 5th season…. At what point does he make the adjustment?
    Easton Wood got 7 years before he 'made it'
    Perhaps if their training standards are high enough players just get more chances?
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    • Mantis
      Hall of Fame
      • Apr 2007
      • 15322

      Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

      Originally posted by Mofra
      Easton Wood got 7 years before he 'made it'
      Perhaps if their training standards are high enough players just get more chances?
      Even coming from a different pathway Easton played >10 games in years 2, 3 & 4 with us... and in a pretty strong team.

      Rhylee played 14 games last year, but it was <5 in years 2 & 3.

      I don't feel the comparison is valid.

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      • hujsh
        Hall of Fame
        • Nov 2007
        • 11832

        Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

        Originally posted by Mantis
        Even coming from a different pathway Easton played >10 games in years 2, 3 & 4 with us... and in a pretty strong team.

        Rhylee played 14 games last year, but it was <5 in years 2 & 3.

        I don't feel the comparison is valid.
        Easton could clearly play but in a different role to what he brokeout in. Mentioned on the DannyBoyd podcast he was only really being taught to play as a negating defender initially until Bevo. Injuries seemed to be the main thing keeping him out of the team.
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        • azabob
          Hall of Fame
          • Sep 2008
          • 15207

          Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

          Originally posted by Grantysghost
          Last year was clearly his breakout season, he just ran out of steam. I'm not surprised to see him really double down on his fitness in the off season as it was likely identified as a reason for his late season fade.

          I have no negativity in terms of his future, he's shown he has some X factor and smarts that not many have; couple that with his improved fitness base I expect a very big season.
          What x-factor have you seen in West?
          More of an In Bruges guy?

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          • Grantysghost
            Bouncing Strong
            • Apr 2010
            • 18899

            Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

            Originally posted by azabob
            What x-factor have you seen in West?
            Vision, he can spot passes like I've only seen Libba do in the current squad.
            BT COME BACK!​

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            • hujsh
              Hall of Fame
              • Nov 2007
              • 11832

              Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

              Originally posted by Grantysghost
              Vision, he can spot passes like I've only seen Libba do in the current squad.
              I'm a fan of his strength. He has created opportunities tearing a ball from someone's arms rather than wait for the ball up
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              • Grantysghost
                Bouncing Strong
                • Apr 2010
                • 18899

                Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

                Originally posted by hujsh
                I'm a fan of his strength. He has created opportunities tearing a ball from someone's arms rather than wait for the ball up
                Agree he really is a ball of muscle. He has a lot of Clay Smith likeness for me.
                BT COME BACK!​

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                • 1eyedog
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 13188

                  Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

                  Agreed. He has 'something' and needs more time.
                  But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                  • 1eyedog
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 13188

                    Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

                    Originally posted by The Doctor
                    Have we? I can't agree with that.

                    Weightman and Clarke (unproven) yes, but thats it. How long since the previous specialist small forward who was any good was drafted to our club? Dickson?

                    All these other small forwards we have shoe horned into our forward line in recent years are not specialist forwards. They were drafted as midfielders or half backs. I speak of McNeil, West, Vandermeer, McComb, JJ, Garcia et al. They have become hybrid type players because they are not getting selected in their preferred position. They have therefore been asked to fill the void our lack of small forward recruiting has created.

                    Small forwards, like ruckmen, is a highly specialised position. We should be focussing on this a lot more than we do in our list management. We could easily replace 1 or 2 of the fringe small midfielders on our list to bolster our small forward attack force.

                    I'll have more to say on this and the Nick Watson bandwagon in the 2023 List Management thread as the year goes on.
                    Great post and agreed we haven't targeted specialist small forwards in like forever yet seem happy to extend olive branches to the McCombs et al. all the way back to the Hayes selections.

                    We've invested nothing in the small forward space over an extended period of time.
                    But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                    • 1eyedog
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 13188

                      Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

                      Originally posted by Mofra
                      Easton Wood got 7 years before he 'made it'
                      Perhaps if their training standards are high enough players just get more chances?
                      Easton was injured for 5 years we only got to 'see' him in year 6.

                      I have no idea if West will make it and I'm not sure anyone at the club is either.
                      But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                      • GVGjr
                        Moderator
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 44314

                        Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

                        Originally posted by 1eyedog
                        Great post and agreed we haven't targeted specialist small forwards in like forever yet seem happy to extend olive branches to the McCombs et al. all the way back to the Hayes selections.

                        We've invested nothing in the small forward space over an extended period of time.
                        I agree we haven't gone well in our endeavors but we have drafted and traded for Gowers, Lloyd, Cavarra, McNeil, Weightman and Garcia plus we tried to convert Vandermeer and West into small pressure type forwards. We have also moved JJ there.
                        I think we've tried to do it on the cheap rather than bite the bullet.
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                        • JanLorMill
                          WOOF Member
                          • Feb 2023
                          • 1632

                          Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

                          Originally posted by GVGjr
                          I agree we haven't gone well in our endeavors but we have drafted and traded for Gowers, Lloyd, Cavarra, McNeil, Weightman and Garcia plus we tried to convert Vandermeer and West into small pressure type forwards. We have also moved JJ there.
                          I think we've tried to do it on the cheap rather than bite the bullet.
                          Haven't there been number of good small forwards that have gone cheap? Papley Cameron AMTW in rookie drafts? Maybe we just pick the wrong ones?

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                          • hujsh
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 11832

                            Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

                            Originally posted by JanLorMill
                            Haven't there been number of good small forwards that have gone cheap? Papley Cameron AMTW in rookie drafts? Maybe we just pick the wrong ones?
                            We tend not to pick them to get wrong
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                            • Jasper
                              Senior Player
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 1260

                              Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

                              Originally posted by GVGjr
                              I agree we haven't gone well in our endeavors but we have drafted and traded for Gowers, Lloyd, Cavarra, McNeil, Weightman and Garcia plus we tried to convert Vandermeer and West into small pressure type forwards. We have also moved JJ there.
                              I think we've tried to do it on the cheap rather than bite the bullet.
                              And Weightman isnt a legit small forward if you expect them to be more crumbing focused. Is this a case where the Bevo versatile mantra works against us?
                              Doing my best to use emojis more frequently :o

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                              • Bullies
                                Senior Player
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 1807

                                Re: Bulldogs Ballarat Practice Match.... Your thoughts.

                                Originally posted by Mantis
                                Rhylee is going into this 5th season…. At what point does he make the adjustment?
                                I think you will find guys like Sam Mitchell/Greg Williams who needed to adjust their games due to their lack of pace took about 5 - 6 seasons. West is a similar type to those two. They all dominated junior footy but just took time to adjust.

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