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  • SonofScray
    Coaching Staff
    • Apr 2008
    • 4204

    Re: Sharp Axes

    Originally posted by Vred
    Presser tomorrow is just the standard media appearance. Sigh. Back to hoping we evolve into a better version of ourselves this week.

    My love of football is seriously waning at the moment, I've got tickets sorted for at least 7 of our next games but the motivation to go and watch isn't there anymore.
    Thursday night and it’s all over, we’ll get off the hamster wheel and things will start looking different. It won’t necessarily be better immediately, but there’ll be space for some hope to re-emerge.
    Time and Tide Waits For No Man

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    • angelopetraglia
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Nov 2008
      • 6774

      Re: Sharp Axes

      Bevo speaking a lot clearer and making more sense in this mornings presser, it?s always harder post match after a bad loss to be fair.

      He has handled the questions much better so far.

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      • Go_Dogs
        Hall of Fame
        • Jan 2007
        • 10103

        Re: Sharp Axes

        Can’t listen in but good to hear AP
        Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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        • angelopetraglia
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Nov 2008
          • 6774

          Re: Sharp Axes

          He has given a good summary of why there has been changes. How the recent draft history of grabbing talls in Marra, Darcy and Buss impacted our inside mid depth especially with Baz injured and Dunkley and Lippa leaving.

          Searching for players to play different roles.

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          • angelopetraglia
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Nov 2008
            • 6774

            Re: Sharp Axes

            Listened to the Bevo presser on the plane, so missed a bit when the wifi dropped out. Will listen back again when I get the chance.

            But I think he had rational arguments for the decisions and provided a decent summary of where we are at.

            You may not agree. Many won?t. He did mention he gets the conjecture, but he explained his and clubs position reasonably well in my opinion.

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            • angelopetraglia
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Nov 2008
              • 6774

              Re: Sharp Axes

              He did say that the accusations of disharmony are total fiction.

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              • whythelongface
                Coaching Staff
                • Jan 2007
                • 4360

                Re: Sharp Axes

                Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                He did say that the accusations of disharmony are total fiction.
                There is no reason to suggest otherwise. The media thrive on the speculation and their first position after a poor performance and selection table decisions is that there is disharmony. This is even more so with Bevo as he has a prickly relationship with the media. It is good to hear his position is clearer as quite frankly it is hard to determine where we are currently at - are we in the window or are we in a mini rebuild. Where we were in the preseason (ie. Talk of being a top 4 chance) maybe unrealistic compared to where we actually are after a few games - to me it looks like we have rejigged our style and will take awhile to buy into especially with a few personnel changes. In saying that I feel Bevo has had many chances to change the way we play, but it is to early on in the season to sack the coach - ride out until round 15/16 to see where we are at. If there is no change then it will be time to move him on.

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                • angelopetraglia
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 6774

                  Re: Sharp Axes

                  Also, last night Caro said the messaging would change. He would be instructed.

                  Well the message was exactly the same as Friday night. He just spoke to it better, made more sense and was a lot more composed.

                  He basically said you can?t rebuild in the modern era with the rules in place. He also said that every club turns players over a span of 10 years regardless whether they are successful or not.

                  So basically you are always rejuvenating in one way or the other.

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                  • comrade
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 17903

                    Re: Sharp Axes

                    Originally posted by Grantysghost
                    McRae came in after pretty much the same team finished 17th, they became a unified group all singing from the same hymn book and the rest is history. There is this Daicos guy too
                    They also have players in the right roles. We have a gun CHB trying his hand as a forward & the best ruck/forward in the game masquerading as a primary ruck. Change those two things and suddenly the structural issues are much improved.
                    Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                    • Grantysghost
                      Bouncing Strong
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 18854

                      Re: Sharp Axes

                      Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                      He did say that the accusations of disharmony are total fiction.
                      Everything looked amazingly harmonious on Friday ! I don't expect him to say anything other than that to be honest.
                      BT COME BACK!​

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                      • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8881

                        Re: Sharp Axes

                        Originally posted by Grantysghost
                        Everything looked amazingly harmonious on Friday ! I don't expect him to say anything other than that to be honest.
                        C'mon GG, I'm not sure that's a fair argument.
                        To think that friction won't occur and be visible, especially when what is happening must be so frustrating to the players and coaching teams alike. Even in successful teams, moments of visible and audible frustration and disagreement can occur. I don't think it's fair to then make a leap that this counters or invalidates Bevo's response to reports of disharmony in the media.

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                        • Grantysghost
                          Bouncing Strong
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 18854

                          Re: Sharp Axes

                          Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                          C'mon GG, I'm not sure that's a fair argument.
                          To think that friction won't occur and be visible, especially when what is happening must be so frustrating to the players and coaching teams alike. Even in successful teams, moments of visible and audible frustration and disagreement can occur. I don't think it's fair to then make a leap that this counters or invalidates Bevo's response to reports of disharmony in the media.
                          It was a bit tongue in cheek.

                          I think I've got Bevo fatigue. I just get the Charlie Brown teacher voice in my head every time he speaks now.

                          I think I've parted with him in my heart. I can't see him staying much longer.
                          BT COME BACK!​

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                          • macca
                            Coaching Staff
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 2352

                            Re: Sharp Axes

                            Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                            He has given a good summary of why there has been changes. How the recent draft history of grabbing talls in Marra, Darcy and Buss impacted our inside mid depth especially with Baz injured and Dunkley and Lippa leaving.

                            Searching for players to play different roles.
                            The lack of mids coming through to replace Baz and Dunkley , makes sense. From the 2020 draft onwards, we have not had one young mid that has cemented their spot in the team.
                            Would love a Braedon Campbell, McCreery or Errol type in our type. Its crazy that Sydn picked up Errol at pick 32 in 2020 draft. Her e is summary of 2020 players (15 players) , played more than 40 games :

                            Pick Drafted By Player Games Since
                            32 Sydney Errol Gulden A 72
                            9 Essendon Archie Perkins 66
                            44 Collingwood Beau McCreery 65
                            20 Geelong Max Holmes 56
                            5 Sydney Braeden Campbell A 53
                            12 GWS Tanner Bruhn 53
                            17 Collingwood Oliver Henry 52
                            1 Western Bulldogs Jamarra Ugle-Hagan A 50
                            13 North Melbourne Tom Powell 50
                            4 Sydney Logan McDonald 49
                            50 Fremantle Brandon Walker A 49
                            21 Melbourne Jake Bowey 48
                            2 Adelaide Riley Thilthorpe 46
                            28 Adelaide Sam Berry 43
                            16 Port Adelaide Lachlan Jones A 40

                            North Melbourne, Hawks and WC are in a world of pain as some of these kids have not come through. With Tom Powell only player , who has played more than 40 games. They will most likely be in bottom 4 for a couple more years.


                            2021 draft , 16 players, played >30 games :
                            Pick Drafted By Player Games Since:
                            4 Collingwood Nick Daicos F 52
                            11 St Kilda Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 46
                            26 Hawthorn Connor MacDonald 46
                            1 North Melbourne Jason Horne-Francis 44 (now at Port)
                            36 Adelaide Jake Soligo 42
                            35 North Melbourne Paul Curtis 41
                            47 St Kilda Marcus Windhager A 41
                            6 Adelaide Josh Rachele 39
                            13 Essendon Ben Hobbs 39
                            7 Hawthorn Josh Ward 35
                            31 West Coast Brady Hough 35
                            33 St Kilda Mitchito Owens A 35
                            16 Brisbane Darcy Wilmot 34
                            27 Carlton Jesse Motlop 33
                            3 GWS Finn Callaghan 30
                            8 Fremantle Jye Amiss 30

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                            • ledge
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 14086

                              Re: Sharp Axes

                              I think we chase Finn Callaghan, Melbourne boy and his dad is married into the Beveridge family .. come on Luke get into Brett’s ear.
                              Seriously though it makes sense about having a hole in the midfield, fact is it’s easier to get mids than it is great talls , we have been gifted in that area and taken full advantage, losing Dunkley who is now in his prime and Smith who no one knew would be out for the year has been a blow but we did get Sanders but he will take a year or two , he seems to float across the ground and his delivery is good but I don’t see the hard, urgency and want for the ball in his game yet.
                              Losing Libba this week is a huge chance for Garcia and could take a lot of headaches away from Luke if he puts in a 25+ game.
                              Bring back the biff

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                              • Grantysghost
                                Bouncing Strong
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 18854

                                Re: Sharp Axes

                                Originally posted by ledge
                                I think we chase Finn Callaghan, Melbourne boy and his dad is married into the Beveridge family .. come on Luke get into Brett’s ear.
                                Seriously though it makes sense about having a hole in the midfield, fact is it’s easier to get mids than it is great talls , we have been gifted in that area and taken full advantage, losing Dunkley who is now in his prime and Smith who no one knew would be out for the year has been a blow but we did get Sanders but he will take a year or two , he seems to float across the ground and his delivery is good but I don’t see the hard, urgency and want for the ball in his game yet.
                                Losing Libba this week is a huge chance for Garcia and could take a lot of headaches away from Luke if he puts in a 25+ game.
                                He would cost ALOT. Absolute Gun.
                                BT COME BACK!​

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