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[Mofra]

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Cut..
Crozier
Duryea
Bruce
Obrien
Poulter - but he will stay
Mccomb
Hannan
Roarke
Keath

Keath is contracted for next year - got himself a one year deal.
I'd give Poulter a deal.
Someone had a rumour about O'Brien being offered a one year deal but I hope someone saw JOD's game on the weekend and realised that Keath is our injury back up next season and O'Brien isn't required.

[SonofScray]

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Grant was pressing the snow button in his interview, but it didn't work. Too late.

He's gone too. Really unimpressed with him there.

[Grantysghost]

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Your drawing kind of looks like a dog laying dead on its back. Which is quite accurate.

Ha very good

[Eastdog]

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Grant was pressing the snow button in his interview, but it didn't work. Too late.

He's gone too. Really unimpressed with him there.

I was willing to give Bevo a chance but now after that debacle yesterday I'm in the Bevo out camp. Something needs to change and as you say SOS the President, CEO and director of football bear a huge responsibility so would not mind change there and get people in who are genuinely putting our club first. Right now something is not right at 417 Barkly Street.

[Sedat]

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I'm in the "Bains/KW-W/Grant out" camp first and foremost. And I'm in the "forensic look at all on-field operations" camp - recruiting, player development, fitness & conditioning, assistant coaching, player welfare, the whole nine yards.

If it is ultimately determined that Bevo needs to go as part of this overall and all-encompassing review, then all well and good. I keep seeing clubs that stick fat under more pressure than us right now going on to have immediate glory - Geelong 2006, Richmond 2016, Melbourne 2020 (maybe Port 2023). And in that time I have seen many clubs succumb to that pressure and take the easy option of sacking the coach, and then not win jack-shit (ironically, except us in 2014 when we got rid of BMac while still under contract for another 2 years).

What I definitely don't want us to do is anything sudden and drastic until a proper and complete review is undertaken post-season (and not by those currently "in charge"). And there is really nowhere to hide for the entire club after the weekend.

[D Mitchell]

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Interestingly, 2 games earlier we had Naughton, Weightman, JUH and Lobb combine for the spectacular total of 2 goals. It was close to a dress rehearsal for Sunday. Oh wait, they actually improved. But we still lost by less than a goal.

Lack of scoring is only part of the problem with the fab 4, it's forward pressure or lack thereof. They are credited with 9 tackles between them, 5 of which were Naughton. The midfielders cop blame for being unaccountable but opposition defenders waltz out of defence under no pressure to kick to the widest part of the oval into which opposition mids can, and do, run.

Disclaimer: I wasn't at the game and assume that the forwards' patterns were the same as they have been for at least the last 2 years.

[Eastdog]

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I'm in the "Bains/KW-W/Grant out" camp first and foremost. And I'm in the "forensic look at all on-field operations" camp - recruiting, player development, fitness & conditioning, assistant coaching, player welfare, the whole nine yards.

If it is ultimately determined that Bevo needs to go as part of this overall and all-encompassing review, then all well and good. I keep seeing clubs that stick fat under more pressure than us right now going on to have immediate glory - Geelong 2006, Richmond 2016, Melbourne 2020 (maybe Port 2023). And in that time I have seen many clubs succumb to that pressure and take the easy option of sacking the coach, and then not win jack-shit (ironically, except us in 2014 when we got rid of BMac while still under contract for another 2 years).

What I definitely don't want us to do is anything sudden and drastic until a proper and complete review is undertaken post-season (and not by those currently "in charge"). And there is really nowhere to hide for the entire club after the weekend.

Yeah I like what you are saying Sedat and that is ultimately what should happen. If Bevo stays there must be full change of the assistant support around him. The CEO, President and Director of Football as mentioned need to take responsibility as well as the senior coach. Getting rid off the coach alone and not see other change isn't necessarily the best either.

[1eyedog]

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If Bevo stays he needs senior support. Preferably an ex-AFL coach who knows the game and can comfortably shoulder some of the burden be it match day tactics, media obligations, game plan development or just by being a 2IC this must happen.

Bevo needs to come to the party on this. Cameron, Dew, Ratten I'm not terrible fussed who it is.

[Eastdog]

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If Bevo stays he needs senior support. Preferably an ex-AFL coach who knows the game and can comfortably shoulder some of the burden be it match day tactics, media obligations, game plan development or just by being a 2IC this must happen.

Bevo needs to come to the party on this. Cameron, Dew, Ratten I'm not terrible fussed who it is.

Yep absolutely 1eyedog. I think if Bevo goes then the rest need to follow pretty much. Lade might have some insight into how the football department operates compared to other clubs he was at.

[SonofScray]

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I'm in the "Bains/KW-W/Grant out" camp first and foremost. And I'm in the "forensic look at all on-field operations" camp - recruiting, player development, fitness & conditioning, assistant coaching, player welfare, the whole nine yards.

If it is ultimately determined that Bevo needs to go as part of this overall and all-encompassing review, then all well and good. I keep seeing clubs that stick fat under more pressure than us right now going on to have immediate glory - Geelong 2006, Richmond 2016, Melbourne 2020 (maybe Port 2023). And in that time I have seen many clubs succumb to that pressure and take the easy option of sacking the coach, and then not win jack-shit (ironically, except us in 2014 when we got rid of BMac while still under contract for another 2 years).

What I definitely don't want us to do is anything sudden and drastic until a proper and complete review is undertaken post-season (and not by those currently "in charge"). And there is really nowhere to hide for the entire club after the weekend.

It’s a fair minded approach. I would say it’s the only one other than Bevo out I can deal with, and even then I won’t be able to get behind him. Fear that they’ve missed the boat. There is enough talent on the list still to salvage something if they act swiftly and don’t compromise another summer.

[FrediKanoute]

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We just lost to the bottom team. Bottom! The ones who HAVE been beaten by 100+. That?s surely as bad as being beaten by 100+?!

No. I?ve been a Bevo fan, but at the end of the day, this is as bad as it gets.

I am with you. Call it what you want in terms of whether he has lost the players or not, but he asked for a response post losing to the Hawks, the 3rd worst team and the team went out and lost to the bottom team. He may not have ?lost? the players, but the message isn?t working. It?s time for a change.

[SonofScray]

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I can’t believe they rolled out Bont to face the music.

Bont did very well, to be fair, but the bloke is doing it all at the moment. Carrying whatever shreds of the season are left on his shoulders, busting his arse on the field, taking bullets for the coach now too. That’s not fair. Why aren’t the others “sharing responsibility” like he mentioned?

Grant, to his credit, at least fronted up, I suppose.

Infuriating.

[DOG GOD]

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I guess when the president is a ghost, then she doesn?t set a very good example for the club. If that was Gorden or Smorgon, they would?ve been on the front foot with an apology to the members, surely, saying it was unacceptable.

We are a weak club. We need a harder edge, and starting from the top down, wouldn?t hurt.

[1eyedog]

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I think it's time for a big restructure of both the coaching and football departments. I'm not sure we are going to be able to turn this around anytime soon re. early 2024 by bringing in a new coach. So maybe Bevo stays. I would like the club to be seen to be going through a stringent review commencing precisely one week from today and as others here have voiced previously I want a thorough independent review of both departments. I want KWW's role heavily scutinised and I want to know whether the Presidency of the Western Bulldogs was a C.V filler for her and a lazy high profile marketing strategy for us, or both. It's been crap I would actually like her to be replaced she has been a Phantom, a ghost that walks. A good President is the next most important figure behind the coach in terms of branding so we may as well just roll out dyed in wool Smorgo till he carks it I reckon.

Grant I reckon is on a hiding to nothing because he clearly loves the club, I mean he stayed for 20c for god's sake, but maybe he loves the club too much and is just too emotionally invested. Seems to love Bevo for what he has done in the past and there is genuine anxiety amongst supporters that his role is compromised because he can't see past Bevo to the dumpster fire in the background. Love Grant he is the best of us but maybe need someone more impartial. Fresh eyes here. Grant needs to go.

Bains is a bit of a survivor who has been involved in quite a few high profile positions across a few clubs. I believe he's smart and is good at business and that's what you want from your CEO. Reckon him and Bevo just agree to leave each other alone and if that works is that enough? He could also easily be a con man as well as far as I'm concerned. I'm 50/50 on Bains. I don't think he is a huge Bevo supporter and I think he has enough impartiality to not get rolled up in the Bevo aura.

Assistant Coaches. Blah. I know I mean I know we've been told Webb is a good coach and that's fine he clearly is. Sphanger is a bit of a green horn still learning under Bevo and Lade is probably not even being heard so there's potentially little to no support here for Bevo at all. I do think Bevo is his own worst enemy with his micro-management fetish though. Must be frustrating to work with.

Because this is the next place we can sack from and make a big statement without coach sacking I reckon we'll see a complete re-boot here. Be a shame to lose Lade but he's not a 2IC. He's a 2IC to a 2IC. I would like to keep him if we can and pair him with a decent senior assistant coach, preferably one that has coached within the last five years.

A new assistant with senior coaching experience working with Lade might just be a bridge too far in terms of change for Bevo. I get a feeling Bevo is not huge on sharing the limelight next to a highly experienced coach.

Think we should lose KWW, Grant, maybe Bains, Sphanger and Webb. Decent clean out. Depends on the power base at the club and maybe I have got it the wrong way around but I know that Bevo wont be walking.

[kruder]

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I'm in the "Bains/KW-W/Grant out" camp first and foremost. And I'm in the "forensic look at all on-field operations" camp - recruiting, player development, fitness & conditioning, assistant coaching, player welfare, the whole nine yards.

If it is ultimately determined that Bevo needs to go as part of this overall and all-encompassing review, then all well and good. I keep seeing clubs that stick fat under more pressure than us right now going on to have immediate glory - Geelong 2006, Richmond 2016, Melbourne 2020 (maybe Port 2023). And in that time I have seen many clubs succumb to that pressure and take the easy option of sacking the coach, and then not win jack-shit (ironically, except us in 2014 when we got rid of BMac while still under contract for another 2 years).

What I definitely don't want us to do is anything sudden and drastic until a proper and complete review is undertaken post-season (and not by those currently "in charge"). And there is really nowhere to hide for the entire club after the weekend.

Listening to all the media today there isn't a hint of Bevo being moved on at this stage due to his contract, I'd suggest your first option is most likely.