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[jeemak]

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I worry that his position next year might end up being "outside" the senior side.

...and the cost (picks and cap) for a guy who was behind Arty Jones at the same age.

Here's a comparison of their respective years this year. Can Arty bridge the gap? I get they play different roles but Arty needs to increase his production.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=9&playerStatus2=A&tid2=8&type=A&pid1=6726&pid2=6985&fid1=S&fid2=S

Henry's had a good year by any standard for a 21-22 year old. If he was OUR player already, we'd definitely not want to lose him as someone who has taken a huge step forward albeit still requiring some hard work to be done in different areas.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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So the two wretched performances come from the playing group's discontent.
Human but unprofessional.

[azabob]

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Thinking about our situation all week without the emotion I'm not sure Beveridge and Grant can survive this year.

Beveridge has gone into self preservation mode - and I don't blame him for that- it is only natural.

Beveridge's language about the playing group publicly has shifted dramatically over the past week or two. Prior to this he was very diplomatic in pointing out the teams flaws, now he is flat out saying they are not good enough or consistent enough.

By all accounts he was quite despondent in the pre game interview last week against West Coast - I have only read the quotes as I was at the game but Beveridge used the word trepidation. If he and the players couldn't get up for this game it is extremely concerning.

#BeMoreBulldog

Not only is the coach in self preservation mode, the players are also in self preservation mode.

Planet of the apes stuff.

[bulldogtragic]

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Not only is the coach in self preservation mode, the players are also in self preservation mode.

Planet of the apes stuff.

Don’t people like watching planet of the apes? Unlike our team.

[Bornadog]

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Not only is the coach in self preservation mode, the players are also in self preservation mode.

Planet of the apes stuff.

Did you go early

[azabob]

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Did you go early

I still stand by what I said. In the first half and some of the third quarter the players were selfish, showed no care for thier teammates or for Luke.

I’m happy we got the win and I’m hoping like heck we get to do it again in two weeks time.

[jeemak]

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I still stand by what I said. In the first half and some of the third quarter the players were selfish, showed no care for thier teammates or for Luke.

I’m happy we got the win and I’m hoping like heck we get to do it again in two weeks time.

Aza, some of us might think that you're buying into the panic and malaise a bit much.

Well, if not some of us, perhaps just me.

[Jasper]

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This thread has been a great read but we need to accept that Beveridge will be the coach for at least next season. How Chris Grant shapes the football department and how he gets Beveridge on board with that will be the secret sauce to how we perform next year.

[Bullies]

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This thread has been a great read but we need to accept that Beveridge will be the coach for at least next season. How Chris Grant shapes the footbal department and how he gets Beveridge on board with that will be the secret sauce to how we perform next year.

We got Lade in to straighten Bevo up but that hasn't worked. If he is staying for the next 2 years I'm sure we will be saying the same again next year. You only had to look at the players last night playing against Gelelong 2's. Something is not right and everyone has seen it. Bevo's strength is his people management skill and is not a great tactician so once he loses the people you get what we see at the moment.

[azabob]

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Aza, some of us might think that you're buying into the panic and malaise a bit much.

Well, if not some of us, perhaps just me.

Jee, we are a incredibly frustrating team to watch over the past 2 years.

How do you think the club is tracking on field and more importantly how do you see us improving?

I’m surprised you think I don’t have my own thoughts on our current predicament and I’m just blindly repeat what I hear in the media. I know you don’t listen or watch footy media and that is fine but you are also savvy enough to know that certain posters on woof only post the click bait headline and make I’ll-informed comments on what is actually said.

[ledge]

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Jee, we are a incredibly frustrating team to watch over the past 2 years.

How do you think the club is tracking on field and more importantly how do you see us improving?

I’m surprised you think I don’t have my own thoughts on our current predicament and I’m just blindly repeat what I hear in the media. I know you don’t listen or watch footy media and that is fine but you are also savvy enough to know that certain posters on woof only post the click bait headline and make I’ll-informed comments on what is actually said.

I agree it’s not about reading the media , you can openly see something has happened in the last few weeks that has affected the way we play.
Yes the media have spotted it and are now speculating the clubs next move, but so have us fans doing the same but it certainly isn’t media driven it’s obvious something isn’t right.
Eg When have you ever seen such strange comments from a coach pregame when a side is fighting for finals ,? The coach and players should be up, about and excited about making finals, not looking at the reasons if we lose before the game is played .

[azabob]

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I look at our list and as individuals we have some very very talented players.

Beveridge formally put on the record last week we do not have the depth required to compete week in week out; that sentiment is shared by some posters on woof also.

Consistency of performance, team cohesion is a huge concern. The 23 players need to be playing at 95-100% capacity to win.

Is this a coaching issue or a player issue? A combination of both? Most likely.

In simple terms does that mean we over achieved in 2021?

I'm sure no one posted on woof during 2021 we over achieved. But hindsight is suggesting we did, maybe? The only significant first choice player we lost since 2021 is Josh Dunkley.

2021 off season list changes
OUT - Cavarra, Hayes, Jong, Lipinski, Lloyd, Wood, Young,
IN - O'Brien, Darcy, A Jones, Clearly, Parker, McComb, Raak

2022 off season List changes
OUT: Cordy, Schache, Hunter, Dunkley, Martin, Wallis, Butler, Parker
IN: L.Jones, Lobb, Busslinger, Clarke, Gallagher, Baker,

So how did we get here then?

Is our game plan tactically sound and at the cutting edge?
Does our game plan suit our players strengths and weaknesses?
Do we have too many **individuals; non team first players** on our list?
Do we have enough different voices in the footy department?
Do we have strong enough voices in our onfield leaders?
Why is this group so conditional?
Did Steven King and Ash Hansen keep the players grounded and in the moment?

#BeMoreBulldog

[macca]

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Not only is the coach in self preservation mode, the players are also in self preservation mode.

Planet of the apes stuff.

Apes together strong!

I hope the club can draw something from that.

[macca]

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@azabob great post

OF the players we lost : Jong, Wood , hunter , Dunkley were in our best 22.

Jong/Dunkely: big bodied mid
Wood: hard backman. provided onfield coaching to back line .
Hunter : wingman , smart hard running player .

Who are the replacements standing up ? We really not have covered their loss

On the coaching side, I think we have failed in a few games this year to change tactics and it has costs us.

[Mofra]

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Here's a comparison of their respective years this year. Can Arty bridge the gap? I get they play different roles but Arty needs to increase his production.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=9&playerStatus2=A&tid2=8&type=A&pid1=6726&pid2=6985&fid1=S&fid2=S

Henry's had a good year by any standard for a 21-22 year old. If he was OUR player already, we'd definitely not want to lose him as someone who has taken a huge step forward albeit still requiring some hard work to be done in different areas.

Filtered for 'same age':

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=9&playerStatus2=A&tid2=8&type=A&pid1=6726&pid2=6985&fid1=O&fid2=O

Tackles & DE on Arty's side, disposals and goals (0.6 to 0.3) on Henry's side.