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  • angelopetraglia
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Nov 2008
    • 6774

    Re: Sharp Axes

    Originally posted by GVGjr
    I think the rebuild type scenario that BT is referring to is by moving some good players on now to acquire draft picks and a considerable war chest for the future. It would mean taking a hit now (2024) for a quick rebound.
    The benefit might be building a team around the Marra, Darcy, Naughton, perhaps Smith, Weightman, JOD core group.
    The counter is that you waste a year of the Bont era and if you get it wrong it might be 2 or more years.

    Love to know what the club thinks of the list now and how different that now is from 12 months ago.
    It is just not Bont.

    You have Bont, Libba and Treloar. All still elite mids. If you support them with the right balance you can still reload and go.

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    • mjp
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 7295

      Re: Sharp Axes

      Originally posted by GVGjr
      I actually agree with you that there could be some merit in having a coach that coaches the team that is given to him and not having as much say on managing the list etc but I feel that isn't going to happen until another club successfully implements it.
      There's a phrase that goes "A change is as good as a holiday".

      I used to wonder about this as finishing work at one place on Friday then starting somewhere else on Monday morning never sounded like much of a holiday to me...but as I have become old I have realised that this is related to what I will call 'politics' and responsibility 'creep' as much as anything.

      Bevo's role is nominally 'Senior Coach'...but after 9-years his role is 'Bevo'. Like all of us, as time passes what you do and what is on your JDF become less (and less, and less) in synch. You do the stuff that YOU do. You get involved in the meetings that YOU are 'needed' for. And so on. And when you go somewhere else, well, all you have to do is your job as 'other people' have defined it.

      I don't think Bevo can really 'wind-back' on his responsibilities too much whilst he remains at the Bulldogs. I actually think that's OK for the most part...but if we are expecting a review to come in and significantly re-set his position and areas of responsibility, well...I just don't see it.
      What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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      • GVGjr
        Moderator
        • Nov 2006
        • 44184

        Re: Sharp Axes

        Originally posted by Grantysghost
        We'd have to look at moving Macrae.

        He's not in Bevo's plans.

        If a team wants him for a second rounder I'd do it and I really love Jacko.

        But time for emotional attachment is gone.
        Outside of Bont, getting into our leadership group hasn't been a huge positive for our players.
        It's a significant cliff that Jack stepped off this year but there could be some reasons behind it.
        Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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        • Grantysghost
          Bouncing Strong
          • Apr 2010
          • 18854

          Re: Sharp Axes

          Living statue MJP!
          BT COME BACK!​

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          • Mantis
            Hall of Fame
            • Apr 2007
            • 15300

            Re: Sharp Axes

            Originally posted by GVGjr
            Outside of Bont, getting into our leadership groupd hasn't been a huge positive for our players.
            It's a significant cliff that Jack stepped off this year but there could be some reasons behind it.
            What do you think they might be?

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            • GVGjr
              Moderator
              • Nov 2006
              • 44184

              Re: Sharp Axes

              Originally posted by mjp
              I don't think Bevo can really 'wind-back' on his responsibilities too much whilst he remains at the Bulldogs. I actually think that's OK for the most part...but if we are expecting a review to come in and significantly re-set his position and areas of responsibility, well...I just don't see it.
              My guess is that Bevo has lost the art of delegating and blames the soft cap cutbacks as the reason why. When high performers like Bevo are struggling with getting results and feel like they're losing some control they tend to take on more responsibility and the problem just gets worse. Getting a strong GM of footy who narrows the focus for Bevo would be a good thing for all concerned.

              I agree that it's harder now to reset things but it needs to happen.
              Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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              • GVGjr
                Moderator
                • Nov 2006
                • 44184

                Re: Sharp Axes

                Originally posted by Mantis
                What do you think they might be?
                I don't have a strong view but perhaps he's carried a niggling injury or he's been unable to adapt as well to a changing role as we would have hoped. It could also be that he's lost a step and a bit of desire.
                Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                • BornInDroopSt'54
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 5147

                  Re: Sharp Axes

                  Judgement replaces faith.
                  Our fate parallels my current life.
                  Final judgement time.
                  Footscray Football Republic.

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                  • bulldogtragic
                    The List Manager
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 34316

                    Re: Sharp Axes

                    Think on this:

                    The only chance Naughton plays defence is a new coach
                    The only way the best second ruck/KPF in the comp plays in that spot is a new coach

                    Those guys might leave if they’re not happy. But team first players play where the team needs them and if that’s not them then why pay them 20% of our cap. We could play Jones, JOD & Naughton back with JUH, Tim & Lobb. With Darcy & Croft & Buss as depth. We could recruit a first ruck that provides more advantage to our mids.

                    The only way we explore such radical changes is a new coach who may just say, let’s move the magnets around. Maybe they’re the moves the get us back quicker. We won’t know because under Bevo, those sorts of changes are never going to happen. I for one, would like to see a preseason of seeing what happens with such a different looking set up. If they all remain.
                    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                    • lemmon
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 6488

                      Re: Sharp Axes

                      Originally posted by mjp
                      I don't think Bevo can really 'wind-back' on his responsibilities too much whilst he remains at the Bulldogs. I actually think that's OK for the most part...but if we are expecting a review to come in and significantly re-set his position and areas of responsibility, well...I just don't see it.
                      Unless a new/emboldened leader that sits above Bevo winds back his responsibilities for him.

                      Agree that there's always going to be a natural blurring and expanding of responsibilities, but I don't think that just because that's how it's been, means that's how it has to be going forward.

                      If a review finds that Bevo has been too involved in list management or too involved in areas of the football program where his input isn't helpful, I'd expect a strong leader above Bevo to remove him from those conversations and enforce that. Tough job? Yes. Do we have the right people in the building to make it happen? I'm not sure. But if a review finds that will help the football club, I'd expect strong leaders to make that happen and frankly I'd expect Beveridge to bite his tongue and live with it. He doesn't have the credits in the bank anymore to challenge it.

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                      • Bornadog
                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 65958

                        Re: Sharp Axes

                        Originally posted by lemmon
                        Unless a new/emboldened leader that sits above Bevo winds back his responsibilities for him.

                        Agree that there's always going to be a natural blurring and expanding of responsibilities, but I don't think that just because that's how it's been, means that's how it has to be going forward.

                        If a review finds that Bevo has been too involved in list management or too involved in areas of the football program where his input isn't helpful, I'd expect a strong leader above Bevo to remove him from those conversations and enforce that. Tough job? Yes. Do we have the right people in the building to make it happen? I'm not sure. But if a review finds that will help the football club, I'd expect strong leaders to make that happen and frankly I'd expect Beveridge to bite his tongue and live with it. He doesn't have the credits in the bank anymore to challenge it.
                        Do we really, and I mean really know what power Bevo wields???
                        FFC: Established 1883

                        Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                        • hujsh
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 11820

                          Re: Sharp Axes

                          Originally posted by lemmon
                          Unless a new/emboldened leader that sits above Bevo winds back his responsibilities for him.

                          Agree that there's always going to be a natural blurring and expanding of responsibilities, but I don't think that just because that's how it's been, means that's how it has to be going forward.

                          If a review finds that Bevo has been too involved in list management or too involved in areas of the football program where his input isn't helpful, I'd expect a strong leader above Bevo to remove him from those conversations and enforce that. Tough job? Yes. Do we have the right people in the building to make it happen? I'm not sure. But if a review finds that will help the football club, I'd expect strong leaders to make that happen and frankly I'd expect Beveridge to bite his tongue and live with it. He doesn't have the credits in the bank anymore to challenge it.
                          I don't mind Bevo being 'involved' in these football related areas either but from the description of how his week (and the weeks of the assistant coaches) typically work I think it's fair to say they're over worked and need more support. That'd hopefully naturally limit his involvement in non-necessary activities
                          [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 65958

                            Re: Sharp Axes

                            Originally posted by hujsh
                            I don't mind Bevo being 'involved' in these football related areas either but from the description of how his week (and the weeks of the assistant coaches) typically work I think it's fair to say they're over worked and need more support. That'd hopefully naturally limit his involvement in non-necessary activities
                            Matt Inness who looks after High performance sits on the bench on game day and works as an assistant to Bevo. Just another example of doing more than one job.
                            FFC: Established 1883

                            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                            • Grantysghost
                              Bouncing Strong
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 18854

                              Re: Sharp Axes

                              Originally posted by bornadog
                              Matt Inness who looks after High performance sits on the bench on game day and works as an assistant to Bevo. Just another example of doing more than one job.
                              How many late season fade outs have we had? I haven't looked but is this fitness related?
                              BT COME BACK!​

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 65958

                                Re: Sharp Axes

                                Originally posted by Grantysghost
                                How many late season fade outs have we had? I haven't looked but is this fitness related?
                                I don't believe fitness is an issue.
                                FFC: Established 1883

                                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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