Sharp Axes

[hujsh]

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As I posted earlier, I have no issue with her. I had an issue with a statement clearly not written by her and said so. And it wasn?t written by her and doesn?t need defending because it wasn?t real. It isn?t real! That?s some sort of an attack on her? Or demonstrated predetermined ideas. Calling out a fake statement for being fake?

If you want to bite, I advocate biting the false statement writer. We are going back and forth over something that isn?t real. It isn?t real. It needs no attack of defence. It isn?t real!

If that statement had been released by the club every supporter would be entitled to be at least befuddled by it.

[The bulldog tragician]

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Chat GPT is very good. I'm actually really scared how good AI is getting. It is using all the history of anything ever written to compose it its writing, so it is purely fictional but is based on the entire collective knowledge that humans have comitted to paper.

When I first read the fake KWW one you produced, I thought it was flowery and written by a try-hard young comms person on her behalf. I thought it was kind of tone-deaf… but I didn’t doubt it was real.

I work in comms myself and have written speeches, messages, articles for CEOs and leaders. Undoubtedly this technology will make people like me redundant but maybe there will always be something slightly jarring or wrong in the message?

[angelopetraglia]

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When I first read the fake KWW one you produced, I thought it was flowery and written by a try-hard young comms person on her behalf. I thought it was kind of tone-deaf… but I didn’t doubt it was real.

I work in comms myself and have written speeches, messages, articles for CEOs and leaders. Undoubtedly this technology will make people like me redundant but maybe there will always be something slightly jarring or wrong in the message?

Agree 100%.

But I intentionally prompted it to ensure people thought it was actual satire. It was OTT.

If I had further prompted it to use different tone, be less verbose, removed the Disney reference, use Australian English, use empathy but remain positive, it would easily pass.

Also, it won't make people like you redundant. Zero chance. People need to know how to use the tool and also things need to be checked and ensure the message is relevant. But it is a tool you can use to help you most probably write better and produce more.

[Grantysghost]

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Agree 100%.

But I intentionally prompted it to ensure people thought it was actual satire. It was OTT.

If I had further prompted it to use different tone, be less verbose, removed the Disney reference, use Australian English, use empathy but remain positive, it would easily pass.

Also, it won't make people like you redundant. Zero chance. People need to know how to use the tool and also things need to be checked and ensure the message is relevant. But it is a tool you can use to help you most probably write better and produce more.

For now. Remember it's learning exponentially.

Skynet is coming.

[GVGjr]

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Just out of curiosity what would our fans wants to hear Kylie talk about or assure us about at this early stage?

I'm not sure there is a lot she can say until we get a few things sorted. On Sunday night we were still very much alive for finals.
Perhaps an apology for making us all barrack for Carlton on Sunday night would be a good starting point?

[angelopetraglia]

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For now. Remember it's learning exponentially.

Skynet is coming.

Yes.

This https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artif...olution-1.html

and this https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artif...olution-2.html

Is probably worth a read even though it was written 8 years ago.

[angelopetraglia]

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Just out of curiosity what would our fans wants to hear Kylie talk about or assure us about at this early stage?

I'm not sure there is a lot she can say until we get a few things sorted. On Sunday night we were still very much alive for finals.
Perhaps an apology for making us all barrack for Carlton on Sunday night would be a good starting point?

Just acknowledging the members for their loyalty and support would be enough at this stage. Bascially what Bont said but with her overall position as the Chief Commander. The season is over.

[The bulldog tragician]

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Agree 100%.

But I intentionally prompted it to ensure people thought it was actual satire. It was OTT.

If I had further prompted it to use different tone, be less verbose, removed the Disney reference, use Australian English, use empathy but remain positive, it would easily pass.

Also, it won't make people like you redundant. Zero chance. People need to know how to use the tool and also things need to be checked and ensure the message is relevant. But it is a tool you can use to help you most probably write better and produce more.

Fascinating. And scary.

A lot of senior people are great speakers, but don’t write well. I like to think it is a bit of an art, to write something for them in a way that reflects their own turns of phrase, or gets to the heart of what they like to talk about. But with there being a lot of sterile corporate speak about, maybe this too will disappear.

Thread derailed!

[hujsh]

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Just out of curiosity what would our fans wants to hear Kylie talk about or assure us about at this early stage?

I'm not sure there is a lot she can say until we get a few things sorted. On Sunday night we were still very much alive for finals.
Perhaps an apology for making us all barrack for Carlton on Sunday night would be a good starting point?

The only reason I'd not want to hear something is if hey don't know what to say yet or (unlikely) they have some strategic reason to wait before saying anything such as when a review is over.

I'd want to hear details from the club on:
What the review was last year
What they learned from that failure
What they're reviewing this year and why it's different
What changes they intend to make (maybe for the purpose of making the right hires I can concede there feasibly may be reason to not reveal this yet)
Why we should continue to pay membership fees or give our time to attend matches when the playing group can't beat the worst team in a decade to make finals

or really anything that might sate my bloodlust (joking...kinda)

[angelopetraglia]

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For now. Remember it's learning exponentially.

Skynet is coming.

That is probably the key point. Human brains are very, very good at making assumptions based on linerar growth. But we are horrible at understanding exponetial outcomes. Our brains just can't process that level of complexity.

If you could theoritcally fold a piece of paper 42 times (yes, it practically impossible) it would reach the moon. We can't process exponetial outcomes, yet AI is indeed going to grow exponetially. Who knows where we end up.

[angelopetraglia]

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Fascinating. And scary.

A lot of senior people are great speakers, but don’t write well. I like to think it is a bit of an art, to write something for them in a way that reflects their own turns of phrase, or gets to the heart of what they like to talk about. But with there being a lot of sterile corporate speak about, maybe this too will disappear.

Thread derailed!

The way you can use it to use someone else's voice is also scary. Write with the prose of Barrack Obama or Donald Trump or Martin Luther King. Or choose a more reasonable famous business author. Write with the voice of Jim Collins or Peter Drucker.

Even putting your own words into ChatGPT and then ask it to expand it or minimise it or write like a 10 year old can undertand or write so it has the tone of an overpaid McKinsey Consulatant.

[Jasper]

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Please. Read it. It ain't real.

Unreal that anyone thought she would write that.

[Jasper]

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What were the predetermined ideas about calling out a clearly false statement? Did you support the made up statement even thought she never made it? That would be cult like.

It goes to prove that people will defend whatever the club says or does even if they didnt say it or do anything.
You can still be critical of the club on occasion and it doesnt make you a bad supporter.

[Grantysghost]

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Unreal that anyone thought she would write that.

I did for a second Jasper! Need sleep. Sad part is I've used AI frequently...!

[Grantysghost]

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It goes to prove that people will defend whatever the club says or does even if they didnt say it or do anything.
You can still be critical of the club on occasion and it doesnt make you a bad supporter.

I think people is me.

Can assure you that's not my way. I do however believe KWW is unfairly targeted. As I said in an earlier post I think she needs to send a message on behalf of the club.