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  • Grantysghost
    Bouncing Strong
    • Apr 2010
    • 18854

    Re: Sharp Axes

    Originally posted by azabob
    A mate of mine said Spangher into a development role.
    Interesting. So logically implies we are looking for a new forwards coach.
    BT COME BACK!​

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    • azabob
      Hall of Fame
      • Sep 2008
      • 15194

      Re: Sharp Axes

      Originally posted by bornadog
      Agree and on that note: Do we think KWW will send a memo, or video to members?

      What does the club need to do to ensure we don't lose the record membership numbers? Lots of pissed off people out there.

      I want to hear about a proper review, and it should be an independent review of the footy department, structure, lines of reporting, responsibilities and how we go the next step next year.
      I get the feeling the club is not going to have an independent review. They started an internal review mid this season and by the sounds of it is starting to conclude.

      Interestingly;
      2021 post season: No review of the 2021 Grand Final - massive black mark
      2022 end of season: Half baked internal review only in 2022 with no feedback to the members - massive black mark
      2023 mid season: Internal review and TBC if any outcomes etc will be advised to the members - TBC
      More of an In Bruges guy?

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      • azabob
        Hall of Fame
        • Sep 2008
        • 15194

        Re: Sharp Axes

        Originally posted by The bulldog tragician
        What if, hypothetically, Bains is part of the problem? Is mean with valuable resources ? Interferes unnecessarily? Is rude and unapproachable? I?m making all this up, obviously, but genuine reviews look at every part of the equation. Also it?s pretty hard to review colleagues that are friends. Within a very weird kind of workplace too, subject to 55000+ opinions, emotions, and the views of Kane Cornes. I just think we need something fresh and more open.
        Bains is the CEO. Off field is humming along nicely. The questions you are asking maybe you could've attached Grants name to it?
        More of an In Bruges guy?

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        • Sedat
          Hall of Fame
          • Sep 2007
          • 11107

          Re: Sharp Axes

          Originally posted by Grantysghost
          I think people is me.

          Can assure you that's not my way. I do however believe KWW is unfairly targeted. As I said in an earlier post I think she needs to send a message on behalf of the club.
          She had more media profile in 2 weeks when she was on the short-list for the AFEL CEO role than she's had for her entire tenure as Bulldogs president. Nobody is expecting Jeff Kennett weekly windbag stuff but there is a balance.

          IMO the inexplicably poor on-field performances against bottom 3 teams Hawthorn and West Coast necessitated a response from higher up the chain. That moment has passed now.
          "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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          • angelopetraglia
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Nov 2008
            • 6774

            Re: Sharp Axes

            Essendon President did this wide ranging interview this morning with SEN. Has KWW ever done anything like this?

            WATCH | Essendon president David Barham fronted up this morning to answer the tough questions about the club, Adrian Dodoro, Josh Mahoney and more from club great Tim Watson and Garry Lyon.

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            • ledge
              Hall of Fame
              • Dec 2007
              • 14087

              Re: Sharp Axes

              Originally posted by angelopetraglia
              Essendon President did this wide ranging interview this morning with SEN. Has KWW ever done anything like this?

              WATCH | Essendon president David Barham fronted up this morning to answer the tough questions about the club, Adrian Dodoro, Josh Mahoney and more from club great Tim Watson and Garry Lyon.

              https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1...304372854?s=20
              He answered nothing , waffle and no commitment to anything, put it all on two others to fix it .
              Definitely a business management man , pass the buck and avoid any backlash.
              Bring back the biff

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              • angelopetraglia
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Nov 2008
                • 6774

                Re: Sharp Axes

                Originally posted by ledge
                He answered nothing , waffle and no commitment to anything, put it all on two others to fix it .
                Definitely a business management man , pass the buck and avoid any backlash.
                Agree. But at least he puts himself out there so their fans can judge for themselves his ability and importantly his views on many matters. That is important.

                I simply don't have enough information to judge KWWs ability or don't know any of her views. It would be nice to hear from her in an interview like this, not just in a pre-reheased script released from the club.

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                • The bulldog tragician
                  Senior Player
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 1970

                  Re: Sharp Axes

                  Originally posted by azabob
                  Bains is the CEO. Off field is humming along nicely. The questions you are asking maybe you could've attached Grants name to it?
                  I think we’ve all worked in workplaces where the CEO sets the tone, and I guess I imagine that Grant reports to him? The traits I’ve made up in my hypothetical could have an impact across every department. Plus, as has been mentioned, as an insider he might not ask the left field questions or challenge the accepted narrative. I really think it would have thrown up new information and insights, to have someone else investigate especially as last years internal review didn’t lead to observable change.
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                  • angelopetraglia
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 6774

                    Re: Sharp Axes

                    Originally posted by The bulldog tragician
                    I think we’ve all worked in workplaces where the CEO sets the tone, and I guess I imagine that Grant reports to him? The traits I’ve made up in my hypothetical could have an impact across every department. Plus, as has been mentioned, as an insider he might not ask the left field questions or challenge the accepted narrative. I really think it would have thrown up new information and insights, to have someone else investigate especially as last years internal review didn’t lead to observable change.
                    In the scheme of the things, football clubs are tiny. In both the amount of staff and also their turnover. The CEOs job is not just off field stuff. He is responsbile for the entire operation. His job is to be across a lof of detail including football matters. Not micromanage, but he needs to be across it and importantly be happy with all the key people appointments and their ongoing ability to do the job. He also needs to be setting the overall strategy for the entire club, including the football departmet. Those are some important lements of the CEO job.

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                    • SonofScray
                      Coaching Staff
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 4204

                      Re: Sharp Axes

                      Selling my axe, unused.

                      Bitterly disappointed in the Club that the coach will survive this. It’s a poor decision culturally and whatever discomfort there is around it we are avoiding will haunt us.

                      That’s it for a while from me on this topic and probably on footy as a whole until I make up my mind if I actually give a shit anymore or not. This year has been the most frustrating, joyless season I’ve ever experienced. Not going to just idly wade through it again when there’s no real vision, no real drive to improve, and what I now perceive as a culture of dishonesty in the footy department. Co-opting a language of support and loyalty but it really putting values in action.
                      Time and Tide Waits For No Man

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                      • Sedat
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 11107

                        Re: Sharp Axes

                        Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                        Agree. But at least he puts himself out there so there fans can judge for themselves his ability and importantly his views on many matters. That is important.

                        I simply don't have enough information to judge KWWs ability or don't know any of her views. It would be nice to hear from her in an interview like this, not just in a pre-rehearsed script released from the club.
                        And you won't. She is a corporate careerist with an enormous global entertainment behemoth who most likely has no interest in the minutiae of a club environment, nor any interest in having her profile exposed with strong opinions and perspectives on said club. The secret to her success at a company like Disney is to be as quietly efficient, whilst remaining as vanilla and unobtrusive as possible (aka small target strategy), which is absolutely essential in order to climb the ranks in the global corporate world (which she has done very successfully) - it has served her career well and will continue to do so.

                        The Bulldogs presidency is nothing more that a notch on her CV that has raised her personal profile/brand into different demographics, and will assist her in eventually landing positions on several high-profile executive boards (whilst allowing her to remain at Disney). No wonder Richard Goyder was such a fan.

                        Her meal ticket is the biggest entertainment company on earth - she will (quite rightly) always prioritize and direct her energy for Disney over our club. That's why she has been (and I suspect will continue to be) completely and utterly invisible during her tenure as club president. The contrast between KW-W and a Sonja Hood couldn't be more stark. Both are notionally invested in their club but Sonja is publicly bringing the fans along for the journey at North, without being an overbearing media presence. Good club presidents do this and do it well.
                        "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                        • mjp
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 7295

                          Re: Sharp Axes

                          Originally posted by SonofScray
                          This year has been the most frustrating, joyless season I’ve ever experienced.
                          Hey - I guess I only have one counter to that: "There's no disappointment without expectation" and the reason we all feel so crap is that the group that takes the park each weekend DOES have talent.

                          Whilst I'm not scared of a coaching change I'm not 100% convinced that a coaching change is totally necessary. Why? Well...I did my first level 3 coaching course (I've done it twice and the course sucks now - it used to be amazing!) with one of the more highly regarded current candidates and all talk about his tactical genius is gloriously (and OFTEN) over-stated. There are no guarantees in the 'next' pile and until Bont tells me the players are done with the coach then I am 50-50 on replacing him.

                          This year has sucked - totally agree. But there is hope for the future and after 40-years supporting RWB I'm not giving up now.
                          What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                          • Vred
                            Senior Player
                            • Nov 2018
                            • 1295

                            Re: Sharp Axes

                            Originally posted by Grantysghost
                            I'll try.

                            Spangher.

                            Didn't come in without a lot of experience, for mine I thought he'd be the first to go but I have to say the forward line has been pretty solid.

                            I'm now firmly in the keep camp, maybe with some support around goal kicking?

                            What do woofers think?
                            We'll be keeping him although it sounds like he'll be shifted to development
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                            • Bornadog
                              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 65958

                              Re: Sharp Axes

                              Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                              Agree. But at least he puts himself out there so their fans can judge for themselves his ability and importantly his views on many matters. That is important.

                              I simply don't have enough information to judge KWWs ability or don't know any of her views. It would be nice to hear from her in an interview like this, not just in a pre-reheased script released from the club.
                              This gives you an insight into KWW

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                              • angelopetraglia
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 6774

                                Re: Sharp Axes

                                Originally posted by bornadog
                                Thank you. Appreciated. I will listen to that.

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