Sharp Axes

[azabob]

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I am with mjp.

If the common fan/pro change had it's way, these guys would have been sacked:
- Goodwin before 2021
- Chris Scott for failing to win a flag
- Hardwick in 2016
- Voss just before winning streak
- Hinkley would have been sacked a few times over

The jury is still out on Hinkley and Voss.

Don?t you have some doubt if Bevo can turn it around?

[jeemak]

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The jury is still out on Hinkley and Voss.

Don?t you have some doubt if Bevo can turn it around?

I'm sure everyone has doubts. But you have to balance the doubts he can turn it around versus the chances he can - which he has shown he can do after 2017-2018, and again versus the doubts a new coach will be any good (many aren't).

[Rocco Jones]

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The jury is still out on Hinkley and Voss.

Don?t you have some doubt if Bevo can turn it around?

Voss has got his side to a prelim. If that's barely keeping your job territory, the churn rate would be huge.

I have a lot of doubt on Bevo. From what I know, I'd probably have him sacked but I don't know everything. I don't know what the guys in charge do and if I know better than them, they should be sacked.

I don't like talking in absolutes. I was merely listing a group of counter examples. Some clubs do hold onto coaches too long but if we went with the majority of fans (and I am not say just the crazy ones) Hardwick, C Scott and Goodwin would have all been gone before winning flags.

[Mofra]

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The jury is still out on Hinkley and Voss.

Don?t you have some doubt if Bevo can turn it around?

Hinkley's the 2nd or 3rd longest serving senior coach in the AFL - that jury is damn indecisive

[bulldogtragic]

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Can I counter:
GWS into a semi (missed finals last year) - Replacing CAMERON. High Water Mark: Grand Final when they got smashed then....
Collingwood into a prelim - Replacing BUCKLEY. High Water Mark: Grand Final where they only just got beaten...had they won there would NOT have been a coaching change.
Carlton into a prelim (missed finals last year) - Replacing WHO CAN REMEMBER it's been so many blokes. High Water Mark...didn't win the wooden spoon one year and I guess Cripps and Curnow had provided some excitement for supporters.
Saints made finals (missed finals last year) - Replacing RATTEN who replaced Richardson? High Water Mark - I think one of those coaches beat us in a final by a few points when we were abysmal.

You are right BT (of course you are) but we have to compare situations. The other clubs were - with the exception of Buckley - genuinely replacing coaches who had pretty much FAILED. In our circumstances we were in a GF in 2021. Even following the Buckley timeline (lost in 2018, replaced at the start of 22) Bevo still has 12-months...and Bevo does actually have the credits of a GF win.

Again - I'm NOT paricularly concerned by the idea of a coaching change but when we keep saying 'all these other guys have changed coaches and look at the results' you have to remember how much HARDER it must be to make the decision to move on a premiership winning coach who made it to another GF vs moving on David Teague who had won nothing...

We are sticking with Bevo, so it?s all moot. But if you said a couple of years ago McRae, Kingsley & Voss would be coaching teams heading into prelims next week few would believe you. For the argument it?d stuck fat like Thompson & Hardwick, there?s a counter argument that the new coaches are doing really well. But it?s moot, Bevo is coaching next year and I hope it?s the right call and we don?t waste another year.

[GVGjr]

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MJP's list highlights why we shouldn't be as scared of making a coaching change when it gets to that point.
I'm happy enough to stick with Beveridge but I also don't have a lot of trepidation of change that seems to have a grip with many Bulldog supporters. Change is coming and we shouldn't fear it because of past experiences. We are a very different club now than the one of struggled though many failed coaching changes.
The game changes quickly and new coaches appear to have the ability to both adapt to and find innovative solutions.

[jeemak]

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We are sticking with Bevo, so it?s all moot. But if you said a couple of years ago McRae, Kingsley & Voss would be coaching teams heading into prelims next week few would believe you. For the argument it?d stuck fat like Thompson & Hardwick, there?s a counter argument that the new coaches are doing really well. But it?s moot, Bevo is coaching next year and I hope it?s the right call and we don?t waste another year.

One of the questions I have is, is there another Michael Voss among the candidates for vacant coaching positions? Someone who has done it once and ****ed it up, and is ready to go again after doing the ground work at other clubs.

To me he's in his own category as a "new" coach, and credit to him for sticking with it.

[1eyedog]

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One of the questions I have is, is there another Michael Voss among the candidates for vacant coaching positions? Someone who has done it once and ****ed it up, and is ready to go again after doing the ground work at other clubs.

To me he's in his own category as a "new" coach, and credit to him for sticking with it.

Nathan Buckley

[Mofra]

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3/4 clubs to reach the prelim have new coaches.
On the snippets I know about him, I'm on the Nigel Lappin train. A 'uniter' is the type of coach we need.

[Sedat]

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I have a lot of doubt on Bevo. From what I know, I'd probably have him sacked but I don't know everything. I don't know what the guys in charge do and if I know better than them, they should be sacked.

I have some doubts as well (specifically around his inflexibility in game plan and his inability to curtail opposition run-ons) but I also think he deserves 12 more months with a significantly altered footy depth and game plan. A pass mark would be to win a final to keep his job going into 2025. Pressure and expectation should be sbsolutely embraced by the entire club.

[GVGjr]

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3/4 clubs to reach the prelim have new coaches.
On the snippets I know about him, I'm on the Nigel Lappin train. A 'uniter' is the type of coach we need.

Good call but for what it's worth I think Lade fits that type of coaching trait as well.

[macca]

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One of the questions I have is, is there another Michael Voss among the candidates for vacant coaching positions? Someone who has done it once and ****ed it up, and is ready to go again after doing the ground work at other clubs.

To me he's in his own category as a "new" coach, and credit to him for sticking with it.

Would like to see Lippistch as an assistance. He put in some toughness to our midfield
His been in senior couch and had sucess at richmond

[Mofra]

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Good call but for what it's worth I think Lade fits that type of coaching trait as well.

Our midfield went backwards sharply once Lade joined us - perhaps he is part of the problem?
I'd want to know more

[Bornadog]

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Our midfield went backwards sharply once Lade joined us - perhaps he is part of the problem?
I'd want to know more

I said this a little while ago in another thread, but didn't get any support from other posters.

Last year we were the number one centre clearance side, and we stopped the rot from the GF debacle. This year we have slipped right back, even though Tim is now one of the best tap ruckman. What changed from last year? Yes Dunkley is gone, but he never really attended many CBAs, Macrae is no longer in the centre? and Lade has taken over the mids.

[Bornadog]

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2015-2023:


Ken - 4 finals series, W/L 2/5, 0 GFs, 0 Flags.
Bevo - 6 finals series, W/L 7/5, 2GFs, 1 Flag.


Guess which coach Kane is calling for the head of?