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  • Vred
    Senior Player
    • Nov 2018
    • 1295

    Re: Sharp Axes

    Originally posted by Virgin-Dog
    The frustrating part about this game for me was that so much of what we did well in the practice/preseason games seemed to be entirely abandoned.

    > McNeil thriving as a pressure forward, so we push him up the field.
    > Our drive off half back was quicker and more powerful than it?s been in years, so we have Dale and Ed play lockdown roles.
    > Harmes thriving in the centre, so keep him out of centre bounces.
    > Naughton thriving when pushed further up the ground onto the wing, so have him play deep forward.

    Sometimes it feels like we do these things to be clever and throw the opponent off, except none of them care because you can trust we?ll just do something self destructive.
    Pretty much summed up my feelings exactly. It seems like everything I saw in the pre-season was completely abandoned for our 2023 game style.
    [I][B]"Its always good to win the Ashes test match'' - Libba, AFL Grand Final, 2016[/B][/I]

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    • The Bulldogs Bite
      Hall of Fame
      • Dec 2006
      • 11104

      Re: Sharp Axes

      Centre Bounce Attendance
      26 - Bontempelli, Liberatore
      22 - English, Treloar
      7 - Lobb
      5 - Sanders
      4 - Harmes
      3 - Gallagher
      1 - Daniel

      Coaching.
      W00F!

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      • lemmon
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Nov 2008
        • 6488

        Re: Sharp Axes

        Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
        Centre Bounce Attendance
        26 - Bontempelli, Liberatore
        22 - English, Treloar
        7 - Lobb
        5 - Sanders
        4 - Harmes
        3 - Gallagher
        1 - Daniel

        Coaching.
        Same strategy as last year in terms of not rolling numbers through there.

        Bevo identified that we were losing at the coal face, so apart from swapping Lobb for English, what else was done to change things in the middle?

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        • Grantysghost
          Bouncing Strong
          • Apr 2010
          • 18854

          Re: Sharp Axes

          Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
          Centre Bounce Attendance
          26 - Bontempelli, Liberatore
          22 - English, Treloar
          7 - Lobb
          5 - Sanders
          4 - Harmes
          3 - Gallagher
          1 - Daniel

          Coaching.
          That's last year's formula.
          BT COME BACK!​

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          • Bumper Bulldogs
            Coaching Staff
            • Apr 2008
            • 2906

            Re: Sharp Axes

            Well it?s ish kick both those goals, JUH nailed the banana and Lob did t miss our tails would have been up and maybe a different result.

            The only problem really is this is the same problem as the entire Bevo tenor
            BB.

            Looking forward - Naughton, Darcy and JUH. It will be the envy of everyone.

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            • DadBod
              WOOF Member
              • Feb 2023
              • 94

              Re: Sharp Axes

              Bont was good but faded.
              Marra was solid apart from kicking.
              Sanders was solid for his first proper AFL game.
              Buku was OK.
              Jones was good, but can't do it all.
              Bramble was OK disposal wise.

              Thats really about it.
              You keep on using that word... I do not
              think it means what you think it means.

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              • Go_Dogs
                Hall of Fame
                • Jan 2007
                • 10103

                Re: Sharp Axes

                Originally posted by Virgin-Dog
                The frustrating part about this game for me was that so much of what we did well in the practice/preseason games seemed to be entirely abandoned.

                > McNeil thriving as a pressure forward, so we push him up the field.
                > Our drive off half back was quicker and more powerful than it?s been in years, so we have Dale and Ed play lockdown roles.
                > Harmes thriving in the centre, so keep him out of centre bounces.
                > Naughton thriving when pushed further up the ground onto the wing, so have him play deep forward.

                Sometimes it feels like we do these things to be clever and throw the opponent off, except none of them care because you can trust we?ll just do something self destructive.
                This is a great post. It feels like we were too clever by half.

                We need some continuity and clarity on the plan and roles, and then repeat repeat repeat the one wood. We?re so reactive. It?s hard to know what we?re trying to do. I?m sure the coaches and players know - but it can?t be easy to execute if you?re doing slightly different things game to game, for individuals and the team who need it to be more predictable than it is.
                Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                • Mantis
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 15298

                  Re: Sharp Axes

                  Originally posted by jeemak
                  How this one is on the coach is beyond me.

                  Our midfielders got shat on by Melbourne's. The rest of the team didn't take the game on and fluffed their lines when opportunities were presented.

                  Giving it until round four. If nothing changes then he's in trouble.

                  As for selection. Both McNeil and Khamis had to play after their late preseason form. It doesn't mean they should play next week. Others like Naughton and Lobb need to be on notice. Harmes can have another week, but can't put in two games like that in a row.
                  Based on 2 games against Hawthorn who are pretty much a lock to finish bottom 4.

                  In 2023 we played our only practice match against North who finished 17th and this year it was Hawthorn who will finish 15th-18th... how can we determine if our players are ready for Rd 1 if they aren't playing against decent opposition?

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                  • Danjul
                    WOOF Member
                    • Apr 2019
                    • 1601

                    Re: Sharp Axes

                    Originally posted by Grantysghost
                    I thought they were horrendous as a team.

                    We were systematically ground into the dirt without giving a yelp.

                    May had Harmes in the gun and I didn't see one of our guys defend him.

                    The lack of fight and intensity has floored me considering what this game meant for the club and the build up.

                    I'm hoping it was a one off, but geez i think im seeing too much of a pattern with this side. They can't be trusted to turn up.

                    As for the team selection: Melbourne mates were texting saying why do you have four tall forwards and no tall defenders..?

                    Seriously good question. I had no answer.
                    May was on Naughton and got 25 disposals and 13 marks, (against 6 and 1). How on earth did he have energy left to take on anyone else?

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                    • Happy Days
                      Hall of Fame
                      • May 2008
                      • 10070

                      Re: Sharp Axes

                      I’m gonna go a bit easier on Naughton as I think playing him deep was a tactical ploy to keep May occupied. It’s dumb and it didn’t work but it isn’t fully Naughton’s fault.
                      - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                      • Ozza
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 6391

                        Re: Sharp Axes

                        Originally posted by Happy Days
                        I’m gonna go a bit easier on Naughton as I think playing him deep was a tactical ploy to keep May occupied. It’s dumb and it didn’t work but it isn’t fully Naughton’s fault.
                        Naughton played his normal role against a top line full back - be a non factor.

                        We will never know how good he could have been. As a forward, he would be the leagues most overrated player.

                        Its the most bloody obvious thing in AFL footy to play him in defence. Its stuffing up the whole team balance.

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                        • Danjul
                          WOOF Member
                          • Apr 2019
                          • 1601

                          Re: Sharp Axes

                          Originally posted by Happy Days
                          I?m gonna go a bit easier on Naughton as I think playing him deep was a tactical ploy to keep May occupied. It?s dumb and it didn?t work but it isn?t fully Naughton?s fault.
                          That is the most marks May has taken in his last 50 games and 1 short of his career high against North who were struggling years ago .

                          Four Melbourne backmen combined to get over 40 marks.

                          Our forward tactics need a thorough overhaul. They set up losses.

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                          • Grantysghost
                            Bouncing Strong
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 18854

                            Re: Sharp Axes

                            Originally posted by Danjul
                            That is the most marks May has taken in his last 50 games and 1 short of his career high against North who were struggling years ago .

                            Four Melbourne backmen combined to get over 40 marks.

                            Our forward tactics need a thorough overhaul. They set up losses.
                            The problem was compounded up field. Early on, JJ was doing what we want him to do and breaking the lines and piercing deep inside 50 (within 35 metres). All of our talls got on the board early, happy days. Then they stopped this run

                            What we don't want is to be held up at half back and kick to around 70-50 out as that's where Lever and May work in tandem to clean things up.

                            My question is, where was the outlet player? Why wasn't one of the talls pushing up to the wing to at least force a stoppage. I have no idea what our plan was.
                            BT COME BACK!​

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                            • Sedat
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 11107

                              Re: Sharp Axes

                              I didn't see the game yesterday but I'm happy to give the team a mulligan when there are 5 debutants and a completely new coaching panel. We are going to have teething problems and disjointed performances whilst we bed down the new game plan - see GWS/Kingsley in the first half of 2023. Surely Bevo knows he is finished in a matter of weeks if the game plan does not significantly change, or if personnel keep getting selected who do not adhere to the new game plan (or both).

                              Melbourne are a high quality team who have barely lost a game in H&A the last 3 seasons and have only underperformed at the pointy end in the last 2 seasons.
                              "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                              • Topdog
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 7471

                                Re: Sharp Axes

                                Originally posted by Bumper Bulldogs
                                Well it?s ish kick both those goals, JUH nailed the banana and Lob did t miss our tails would have been up and maybe a different result.

                                The only problem really is this is the same problem as the entire Bevo tenor
                                They had 10 more scoring shots than us, dont think we can blame kicking 9 goals from 19 shots. You dont win many games when you only have 19 shots.

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