Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

[azabob]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

What’s their gripe/s? I thought they loved him.

Not this year. To be fair to Lipiniski he has had injuries this year.

Their gripes are his intensity and sometimes contested work. So kinda the same gripes we had...

[Bornadog]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

Not this year. To be fair to Lipiniski he has had injuries this year.

Their gripes are his intensity and sometimes contested work. So kinda the same gripes we had...

We used pick 43 on Art Jones - are we better off?

[azabob]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

We used pick 43 on Art Jones - are we better off?

I don't think we are worse off.

It is a mute discussion point as people forget Lipiniski chose to leave our club. We wanted to keep him.

[Grantysghost]

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We used pick 43 on Art Jones - are we better off?

It's too early to tell.

[GVGjr]

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I don't think we are worse off.

It is a mute discussion point as people forget Lipiniski chose to leave our club. We wanted to keep him.

The devil might be in the detail here. Yes we made offers to the likes of Lipinski and Young etc but given we weren't really playing them in their most productive positions or playing them regularly so those offers might be best described as token.
Clearly other clubs saw them in a different light and their sales pitch was more compelling.

Our identification and introduction into the seniors with O'Donnell shows there are some very talented players with AFL level athletic traits but there will likely be some bumps along the way and how the player and club manages those moments will tell the story.
It's still very early in his development but some very positive signs.

[azabob]

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The devil might be in the detail here. Yes we made offers to the likes of Lipinski and Young etc but given we weren't really playing them in their most productive positions or playing them regularly so those offers might be best described as token.
Clearly other clubs saw them in a different light and their sales pitch was more compelling.

Our identification and introduction into the seniors with O'Donnell shows there are some very talented players with AFL level athletic traits but there will likely be some bumps along the way and how the player and club manages those moments will tell the story.
It's still very early in his development but some very positive signs.

Yes, 100% the devil is in the detail. But at the time the club was right; Lipinski was way down the pecking order and you cannot blame him for leaving.

My main point was we didn't actively shop Lipinski and comparing him to Arthur Jones is a mute point.

[GVGjr]

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Yes, 100% the devil is in the detail. But at the time the club was right; Lipinski was way down the pecking order and you cannot blame him for leaving.

My main point was we didn't actively shop Lipinski and comparing him to Arthur Jones is a mute point.

I agree.
The comparisons many focus on regarding the pick received and the player selected with it more than often doesn't make a sense unless the pick received and used is perhaps a first rounder.

[MrMahatma]

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Yes, 100% the devil is in the detail. But at the time the club was right; Lipinski was way down the pecking order and you cannot blame him for leaving.

My main point was we didn't actively shop Lipinski and comparing him to Arthur Jones is a mute point.

Moot point.

No probs. Here to help.

[Bornadog]

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Yes, 100% the devil is in the detail. But at the time the club was right; Lipinski was way down the pecking order and you cannot blame him for leaving.

My main point was we didn't actively shop Lipinski and comparing him to Arthur Jones is a mute point.

Who is comparing him? That is not the point I was making. We exchanged pick 43 we got for Lippa and brought in Arty? It is too early to call, but at this stage, I am happy with that.

Lippa would never play midfield with the likes of Bont, Libba, Treloar, Macrae, Smith and even Caleb ahead of him. So where would he play?

[jeemak]

Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs: James O'Donnell

On the wing and complaining about being asked to work on his pace.

[Pedro Sanchez]

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JOD has natural intensity and a thirst for the contest. You cant teach that. And he appears to have some clever skills and talent to.

Young on the other hand never had the former with us. What he did well is take a nice gliding mark across a pack as third man up.

Like what we're starting to see from JOD. He's a player in the making.

[jazzadogs]

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Would he be better today if he had have been picked in the twos and played defence rather than the ones up forward, or is he better off having had a taste at the level in any role?

I go with the latter. We put way too much weight on this stuff when the idea is about getting someone out there and giving them a go at the level. Tall talented players get more opportunities, it's just how it is.

No doubt he is better off, but 3 of his first 5 games were the losses to Gold Coast, Geelong and Port with minimal contribution from him in a crap role. Was the team better off for having him as a decoy forward in those games?

I'm really excited by his potential but I'm still pretty comfortable that the MC got his early selections wrong.

[1eyedog]

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No doubt he is better off, but 3 of his first 5 games were the losses to Gold Coast, Geelong and Port with minimal contribution from him in a crap role. Was the team better off for having him as a decoy forward in those games?

I'm really excited by his potential but I'm still pretty comfortable that the MC got his early selections wrong.

Doesn't make sense to me. We wouldn't be where we're at with him if they didn't select him and maybe he progresses in the VFL and we unearth a nugget or maybe he just stagnates there.

I think West is another who responds at the senior level and I'm not sure why he isn't given an extended run in the firsts. He seems to be able to do smart things that other players can't and sometimes players like these two respond best in high pressure high intensity environments.

I was a doubter and not a fan of JOD's selection but it could turn out to be an inspired decision by the MC and I'm certain Bevo should get some credit for this as well.

[Topdog]

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Doesn't make sense to me. We wouldn't be where we're at with him if they didn't select him and maybe he progresses in the VFL and we unearth a nugget or maybe he just stagnates there.

I think West is another who responds at the senior level and I'm not sure why he isn't given an extended run in the firsts. He seems to be able to do smart things that other players can't and sometimes players like these two respond best in high pressure high intensity environments.

I was a doubter and not a fan of JOD's selection but it could turn out to be an inspired decision by the MC and I'm certain Bevo should get some credit for this as well.

But we could and should have played him in defence where we were short of players instead of him being lost in attack

[soupman]

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Yeah JOD looks good and there is maybe the tinyiest argument that playing him in a nothing role for 3-5 games where he was basically a non-factor in close losses and was being hidden as much as possible until it was late enough to sub him out without humiliating him was beneficial to his development, butI don't think it is a good argument.

Any credit the MC gets through his selection in those weeks is almost entirely attributable to luck rather than design.

I think it's no coincidence that his best week thus far (and first time he has actually contributed) has been when he has played in a role where we actually want him to do stuff, and I am completely unconvinced he would've been worse off having spent an extra 5 weeks in the VFL practicing that very role.