Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

[Bornadog]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

Just don't think we know how best to use him. A lot of the time you'd be forgiven for thinking he wasn't even playing.

I would like to see him take more Ruck time and let Tim wonder around the ground like a mid.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

Just don't think we know how best to use him. A lot of the time you'd be forgiven for thinking he wasn't even playing.

This is exactly it. You?d think the 6 months chasing him and 6 months pre-season we?d have a solid plan. But nope. Our brains trust was using him as a winger for a while. How can you invest so much trade capital and salary cap into a guy and seemingly be confused with what you?re doing with him. I imagine he?s a little confused too. If we can?t return him to bring an influential big man then we?ve blown the full opportunity of this trade.

I was so strongly in favour of this trade, but right now, it?s unfulfilled and will remain so until we can work out how to get the best out of him. Darcy dominated yesterday and should come in. Would Lobb respond to being dropped. Would the club take the media pressure by dropping him? I don?t know.

Freo getting two pick 30?s must be so happy though. They stood their ground and got maximum return.

[azabob]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

IN: Bruce, JJ, Darcy
OUT: Gardner, O?Donnell, Lobb

Bruce in for Gardner
Darcy in for Lobb
JJ or Cleary for O?Donnell

Clearly the match commitee want the structure of three tall defenders and three tall forwards.

Due to injuries it?s almost impossible to keep the three key defender structure.

Lobb is currently offering zero influence. Darcy is clearly talented, I?m now of the view we just have to play him.

[azabob]

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I would like to see him take more Ruck time and let Tim wonder around the ground like a mid.

Hard pass. We want a ruck not a hybrid midfielder.

[jeemak]

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This is exactly it. You?d think the 6 months chasing him and 6 months pre-season we?d have a solid plan. But nope. Our brains trust was using him as a winger for a while. How can you invest so much trade capital and salary cap into a guy and seemingly be confused with what you?re doing with him. I imagine he?s a little confused too. If we can?t return him to bring an influential big man then we?ve blown the full opportunity of this trade.

I was so strongly in favour of this trade, but right now, it?s unfulfilled and will remain so until we can work out how to get the best out of him. Darcy dominated yesterday and should come in. Would Lobb respond to being dropped. Would the club take the media pressure by dropping him? I don?t know.

Freo getting two pick 30?s must be so happy though. They stood their ground and got maximum return.

I think we had a clear plan for him, however, it didn't work or isn't working at the moment. Now we have a competent second ruck playing each week having minimal forward impact because he's rarely targeted, not really gelling in a forward line that's still got its issues, and is possibly carrying an injury.

We don't move the football quickly most weeks, and mostly have forwards jumping over each other. So when I say the plan we had, of three talls all playing prominent roles forward didn't work, then someone has to play a less prominent role and that someone is Lobb.

He was disappointing last night, but he stays in the side as the second ruck because we need a second ruck and don't have anyone else to play the role. Could somebody on less money and trade capital play the role he's playing right now? Probably. Could someone on less money and trade capital play the a key forward role if one of Naughton and Marra goes down? Possibly - but probably not.

Big guys cost a lot to get to your club.

[meenies]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

Bus for Gardy - it's time.
If we al 100% sure JJ is ready then maybe swap for O'Donnell.
If give Smith some wellbeing leave (although Bevo presser more about limited preseason and nagging injuries) then bring in Arty. Remember Smith only entered preseason around the time of the Ballarat practice game. (did he play in that one?)
Lobb needs to start from the goal square and lead out but JUH and Naughtie prefer to be in that spot most times. We are not playing him to his forward strengths.

[Danjul]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

Hard pass. We want a ruck not a hybrid midfielder.

I disagree.

You want a ruck. The coach wants a hybrid. That is why we got Lobb and he is delivering exactly what we expected- because that is what he contributed At Freo lately.

In his last 5 games for Freo he scored goals in two, both against us. 4 goals from 7 possessions as a leading forward at Marvel. Not used in the ruck.

His ruck performances are consistent with previously, occasionally a better outcome but usually only when playing against a short non-ruck like last week where he had a 15 cm height advantage or a beginner . Generally more a spoiler in the ruck.

That is our game plan. And Lobb is the perfect fit.

[Bornadog]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

Hard pass. We want a ruck not a hybrid midfielder.

Depends on your definition of a ruck. How many rucks in the competition get more disposals than Tim? I will tell you, one and only by an average of 19.20 to Tims 19.19 and it is Rowan Marshall. Next best is Bilcavs at 16.36.

My theory is Lobb gets more time in Ruck and Tim doesn't rest up forward, but gets more time in mid. Yes he would need to rest as well.

[macca]

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Rowan Marshall and Blicav are athletically gifted and just freakish gifted footballers. They offer their team a hyrid player of ruck+another position

bevo game plan demands our ruckman be a hybrid player
I agrre witb @danjul , Lobb is doing exactly what the coaches want and that is multiple positions

The reason he kicked 4 goals against us at Freo is they had better fwd delivery , running patterns , and all big talls seek to find a way to kick a bag against us.

One observstion i like to make is use.Lobb as a marking option coming out ofdefense , like how Brisbane and Geelong use for their talls. It wont hapoen as we tend to switch the play to go back and then to the other side of the ground which us very slow

[kruder]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

There is no way you would play Buss as a second key defender, we have already thrown JOD to the wolves lets to patient with the kid. His body is clearly not ready for key defence in the AFL.

[kruder]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

Rowan Marshall and Blicav are athletically gifted and just freakish gifted footballers. They offer their team a hyrid player of ruck+another position

bevo game plan demands our ruckman be a hybrid player
I agrre witb @danjul , Lobb is doing exactly what the coaches want and that is multiple positions

The reason he kicked 4 goals against us at Freo is they had better fwd delivery , running patterns , and all big talls seek to find a way to kick a bag against us.

One observstion i like to make is use.Lobb as a marking option coming out ofdefense , like how Brisbane and Geelong use for their talls. It wont hapoen as we tend to switch the play to go back and then to the other side of the ground which us very slow

Presented as an option out of defence last night a number of times, our players don't like kicking it to Lobb. I actually thought his ruck work was pretty good again last night.

[azabob]

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Presented as an option out of defence last night a number of times, our players don't like kicking it to Lobb. I actually thought his ruck work was pretty good again last night.

Why would you kick it to Lobb when he hasn’t shown the ability to take contested marks?

[azabob]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

Depends on your definition of a ruck. How many rucks in the competition get more disposals than Tim? I will tell you, one and only by an average of 19.20 to Tims 19.19 and it is Rowan Marshall. Next best is Bilcavs at 16.36.

My theory is Lobb gets more time in Ruck and Tim doesn't rest up forward, but gets more time in mid. Yes he would need to rest as well.

Yep. Our definitions of ruck are very different and that’s ok.

[Bornadog]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

Yep. Our definitions of ruck are very different and that’s ok.

What is your defintion? Tap and that is it?

[G-Mo77]

Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 18 v Sydney

There is no way you would play Buss as a second key defender, we have already thrown JOD to the wolves lets to patient with the kid. His body is clearly not ready for key defence in the AFL.

Probably not but you can slot him in to JOD spot as the 3rd tall. Why can't we play Buss early but we can rush JOD into the team for an extended run? Gardner will get up, he's tough as nails, Buss can slot in JODs spot, it's a perfect time for his debut IMO.