Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

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  • azabob
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    • Sep 2008
    • 15335

    #16
    Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

    Originally posted by Danjul
    I?ve watched Jones closely. No way has he deserved to be in the team.

    Our pressure small forward was poor against Geelong, didn?t touch it against Port, a couple of average quarters in the vfl but most very poor, selected as sub against Richmond, 4 possessions- 3 displayed poor skills and gave away 50m for a goal- and then 3 disposals today.

    The guy is contributing nothing and it hurts.

    He has some talent but???
    Hey Danjul, what are your changes or your happy to continue shit canning what other posters think?
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    • azabob
      Hall of Fame
      • Sep 2008
      • 15335

      #17
      Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

      Scott for Liberatore
      JJ for VDM
      Clarke for Jones

      R.West to take Liberatore midfield minutes.

      Would like to get Busslinger in for a game before the years out but with the season still on the line I'll stick with L.Jones, Keath and JOD.
      More of an In Bruges guy?

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      • lemmon
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Nov 2008
        • 6528

        #18
        Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

        I'm going with:
        -JJ for Laith (if JJ is right to go)
        -McLean in for Libba - we need an inside mid to come in and he's earned it on performance at Footscray
        -Scott for Arty - I like Scott forward as he's one of the few guys we have who naturally finishes his work. We also just can't keep carrying a guy who simply doesn't touch the ball.

        Bit worried for Jones - we're desperate to play him forward but he couldn't touch the footy at VFL level, let alone in the ones. I think settle him back at Footscray for the last part of the year and let him try to find some touch.

        For me, while we're still a chance at finals, it's not the time to play Clarke or Buss. We're going to need a win in Geelong and I'd back in an experienced body for that.

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        • mjp
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 7381

          #19
          Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

          Originally posted by lemmon

          Bit worried for Jones - we're desperate to play him forward but he couldn't touch the footy at VFL level, let alone in the ones. I think settle him back at Footscray for the last part of the year and let him try to find some touch.

          For me, while we're still a chance at finals, it's not the time to play Clarke or Buss. We're going to need a win in Geelong and I'd back in an experienced body for that.
          Your comments about Jones, Busslinger and Clarke make too much sense. Dreamers pick kids.

          I didn't understand the Jones decision vs Richmond and it seemed pre-ordained he would be into the 22 vs Hawthorn...I am still uncertain why we are so determined to turn a junior winger/runner with elite endurance into a small forward as an aside.
          What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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          • lemmon
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Nov 2008
            • 6528

            #20
            Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

            Originally posted by mjp
            I am still uncertain why we are so determined to turn a junior winger/runner with elite endurance into a small forward as an aside.
            Similar situation with West, Garcia and McNeil in my mind - we've failed to find or develop genuine small forwards so have instead asked natural midfielders who have some pace and a willingness to tackle to play as pressure small forwards as their way into the 22.

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            • bulldogtragic
              The List Manager
              • Jan 2007
              • 34289

              #21
              Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

              Originally posted by lemmon
              Similar situation with West, Garcia and McNeil in my mind - we've failed to find or develop genuine small forwards so have instead asked natural midfielders who have some pace and a willingness to tackle to play as pressure small forwards as their way into the 22.
              Ask all four how they think they?ve been professionally developed by the club. I wonder what they?d say? Genuinely.
              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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              • Bullies
                WOOF Member
                • Sep 2014
                • 1807

                #22
                Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

                Originally posted by lemmon
                I'm going with:
                -JJ for Laith (if JJ is right to go)
                -McLean in for Libba - we need an inside mid to come in and he's earned it on performance at Footscray
                -Scott for Arty - I like Scott forward as he's one of the few guys we have who naturally finishes his work. We also just can't keep carrying a guy who simply doesn't touch the ball.

                Bit worried for Jones - we're desperate to play him forward but he couldn't touch the footy at VFL level, let alone in the ones. I think settle him back at Footscray for the last part of the year and let him try to find some touch.

                For me, while we're still a chance at finals, it's not the time to play Clarke or Buss. We're going to need a win in Geelong and I'd back in an experienced body for that.
                Clarke seems to be the type of player who would play better at the top level. Sometimes it is not so easy to get a kick in the 2's as it is in the 1's. He has that x factor. Roll the dice as we have nothing to lose. He is over his injuries and starting to get a bit of the ball. Lets see what he has.

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 66843

                  #23
                  Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

                  Originally posted by Bullies
                  Clarke seems to be the type of player who would play better at the top level. Sometimes it is not so easy to get a kick in the 2's as it is in the 1's. He has that x factor. Roll the dice as we have nothing to lose. He is over his injuries and starting to get a bit of the ball. Lets see what he has.
                  I thought he played well on Saturday. Could easily replace Arty
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                  • meenies
                    Rookie List
                    • May 2014
                    • 214

                    #24
                    Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

                    Originally posted by Grantysghost
                    Out : Smith
                    In : Sullivan
                    It would be nice if we can bring Sullivan in, although AFL may not be happy campers.

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                    • Danjul
                      WOOF Member
                      • Apr 2019
                      • 1624

                      #25
                      Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

                      Originally posted by G-Mo77
                      I honestly don't care at this point mate. I'd sooner give kids games these last 2 weeks and shelve some senior players for next season. Of course that is not going to happen but I'd rather invest into 2024 than try and prolong this train wreck of a season.
                      These selections are what has killed this season.

                      Too pig-headed. We have not used our talent pool well.

                      In my opinion we would have been a lock in for the finals if we had played Sweet as our small forward against Geelong, Port, GWS and/or Sydney. In those games the forwards failed when the pressure was on. Or Bus.. Anyone who can kick a goal from 30m with some reliability.

                      We spend forever criticising the backline or Macrae but the real culprits are overlooked.

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                      • Danjul
                        WOOF Member
                        • Apr 2019
                        • 1624

                        #26
                        Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

                        Originally posted by azabob
                        Hey Danjul, what are your changes or your happy to continue shit canning what other posters think?
                        Did you read what I wrote.

                        To repeat:

                        I have watched him/them closely for weeks.

                        I am reporting on what I have seen. A very honest and factual report. No detour into emotion. Just the hard facts. Everyone is welcome to point out my factual errors.

                        Here is your chance to do so.

                        They are ????.

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                        • azabob
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 15335

                          #27
                          Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

                          Originally posted by Danjul
                          Did you read what I wrote.

                          To repeat:

                          I have watched him/them closely for weeks.

                          I am reporting on what I have seen. A very honest and factual report. No detour into emotion. Just the hard facts. Everyone is welcome to point out my factual errors.

                          Here is your chance to do so.

                          They are ????.
                          You have said who you want to drop but at no stage have you said who should replace Jones.

                          I actually have dropped Jones in my changes against West Coast.
                          More of an In Bruges guy?

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                          • meenies
                            Rookie List
                            • May 2014
                            • 214

                            #28
                            Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

                            After a day of letting the anger out, a more balanced choice of ins and outs:
                            In if fit - JJ
                            promoted from 2s - Clarke. I have watched him a lot this year and whilst I don't think he has a great tank yet, he is dangerous, smart, calm and unselfish in the forward line. Like Bullies said, I also think he will be better at the next level.
                            West to the middle and stay there.
                            Out - Libba and Arty. We have shown courage before in dropping big names so do that to Smith. A week in the 2s to remind him what it is about.
                            Maybe promote Baker. Scott to sub if cannot fit in.
                            I am happy with the back although we do also have Gardner in the 2s. We do need him in before the finals if we get there.

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                            • lemmon
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 6528

                              #29
                              Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

                              Originally posted by Bullies
                              Clarke seems to be the type of player who would play better at the top level. Sometimes it is not so easy to get a kick in the 2's as it is in the 1's. He has that x factor. Roll the dice as we have nothing to lose. He is over his injuries and starting to get a bit of the ball. Lets see what he has.
                              Fair points and you may very well be right - just feels like an Andrew Hooper 'let's roll the dice and see what happens' kind of selection. While we're still in the hunt for finals, I want the guys we're picking to be the same guy we'd pick in an Elimination Final.

                              I think McLean is a good example of that - he's probably not on our list next year, but he's the next-best inside mid running around at Footscray, so get him in for Libba.

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                              • DOG GOD
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 6557

                                #30
                                Re: Always Right Match Committee Round 23 v West Coast Eagles

                                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                                Ask all four how they think they?ve been professionally developed by the club. I wonder what they?d say? Genuinely.
                                Wrong post.
                                I will never see #16 the same!!

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