Calm down - we lost by 4x goals.

[Grantysghost]

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Aker used to kick them high when inside 30.

Get your foot right through it.

Two handed ball guidance looks naff and you can't kick it as far however it's good for close shots.

[G-Mo77]

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Do players shoot with different technique from the free throw line to when they are having a shot from outside of the arc?

Of course they do.

So why would you say it shouldn't change for football players?

Every shot from 40m should look 'the same'. But not necessarily like every shot from 20m. Or every shot from 50m.

That's an in game jump shot what you're describing and the only comparison to football would be a shot in play and not after a mark or free kick. The comparable thing between a FT and a set shot at goal is they have time to set up and go through a routine. If you can kick comfortably from 40m and consistently straight, why change that when kicking from 30M or 20M? It doesn't matter if you kick it out of the stadium it's still a goal through the big sticks. So many players change their routine on distance when they should do exactly the same thing over and over. If you kick them straight booting the absolute shit out of it, boot the absolute shit out of it closer to goal.

[mjp]

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That's an in game jump shot what you're describing and the only comparison to football would be a shot in play and not after a mark or free kick.

Not exactly what I'm describing. Think more a feet set corner 3 than a true 'in game' jump shot...but the point you make is why it's so bloody difficult to kick goals in AFL footy. There are simple one million ways in which they get kicked and modifications of style, ball drop, leg swing and even the 'TYPE' and 'SHAPE' of the kick vary so damn much.

I think every goal-kicking analysis ever done will say that the best way to kick a higher % of goals is to kick them from closer in - so I'm not really sure exactly how many player have a 'REAL' conversion percentage that is worse from 25m than it is from 40m but I suspect that number would be statistically irrelevant...unless of course it's every forward in our current side in which case it would STILL be statistically irrelevant but it would ALSO be deeply concerning.

[Bulldog4life]

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Yes - the tee makes it way easier. And yes, it's the ball drop that is the wild card or more specifically, the co-ordination between the ball drop and the leg swing...one small change either way can lead to big (and inconsistent) changes in outcome...so it needs to be managed.

Do we need to do a better job of managing it? I'm happy with that but saying 'Get Sav Rocca' doesn't mean that's a solution...

Two of the most consistent and effective ball drops I have seen in the last 60 years were Lockett and Peter Hudson. Both were hunched over and the ball drop onto their foot was short. Both accurate kicks for goal too.

[Mantis]

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Given 4 players have been omitted, or approx. 20% of the team it’s fair to say the MC haven’t remained calm.

[GVGjr]

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Given 5 players have been omitted, or approx. 25% of the team it’s fair to say the MC haven’t remained calm.

Yep, just one forced change who is a back man and two others from the back line dropped. No surprise with McNeil and Baker probably a bit unlucky.

[Jeanette54]

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Two of the most consistent and effective ball drops I have seen in the last 60 years were Lockett and Peter Hudson. Both were hunched over and the ball drop onto their foot was short. Both accurate kicks for goal too.

If you look at old film of EJ you will find that he also reduced the distance the ball had to drop onto his foot.

[josie]

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Two of the most consistent and effective ball drops I have seen in the last 60 years were Lockett and Peter Hudson. Both were hunched over and the ball drop onto their foot was short. Both accurate kicks for goal too.

Good observation. Our Tory hunched over a bit if I recall correctly and shorter ball drop. Another one that comes to mind is Aker who was an excellent kick for goal.

[MrMahatma]

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Cool.

And what happens if they miss 17 of them? Going in feeling SUPER confident, right.

Just having shots at goal doesn't make you a better kick for goal...

Cool.

I guess the thought bubble was more about:

a) Practice is good
b) Adding a degree of pressure to it to try and recreate the match day pressure

What do you suggest?

[1eyedog]

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Two of the most consistent and effective ball drops I have seen in the last 60 years were Lockett and Peter Hudson. Both were hunched over and the ball drop onto their foot was short. Both accurate kicks for goal too.

Beasley.

[1eyedog]

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Cool.

And what happens if they miss 17 of them? Going in feeling SUPER confident, right.

Just having shots at goal doesn't make you a better kick for goal...

Ah this is what confused me. I thought the assumption would be that every player would/ should have a routine and has worked hard on it re. shots on goal. Then practicing that to make you better. 20/ 50 / 100 times whatever.

I remember watching the boys having set shots with headphones playing crowd noises in them back in the day. I assume we've tried all kinds of things.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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There's a lot of cotton wool for players these days. Don't practice goal kicking too much, because if you do, it'll get in your head and you'll miss ....

... Alternatively, just keep missing and do little practice.

I wish I was afforded that same leniency in my job.

[G-Mo77]

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There's a lot of cotton wool for players these days. Don't practice goal kicking too much, because if you do, it'll get in your head and you'll miss ....

... Alternatively, just keep missing and do little practice.

I wish I was afforded that same leniency in my job.

Bevo was quoted saying it was more to do with the sports scientists worried about injuries which is why it is not practiced as much. If it's the cotton wool and hugging effect like you mentioned then toughen the hell up. You're a pro, practice and be one.

[josie]

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Bevo was quoted saying it was more to do with the sports scientists worried about injuries which is why it is not practiced as much. If it's the cotton wool and hugging effect like you mentioned then toughen the hell up. You're a pro, practice and be one.

What Bevo said sounds like nonsense to me. Not sure if they practice more then I’ve seen in pre-season training but in my opinion it wasn’t enough and it was only some of the players.

[1eyedog]

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Effort was there again we ok with another 4 goal loss considering we were crucified?