WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

[jeemak]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

Guy was also used as the pressure release valve down back. Pretty consistently got them out of the D50 when they were struggling. Not a surprise he might make the occasional mistake (like Dale and Daniel do)

BTs running a trade agenda that we're not quite aware of yet so he's starting a malicious anti-Liam Henry campaign to enable it.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

I don't put the Williams goal on him. It was an awkward ball that shouldn't have been.

He probably got his career high turnovers because he got career high disposals.......

You’re generous in your old age.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

BTs running a trade agenda that we're not quite aware of yet so he's starting a malicious anti-Liam Henry campaign to enable it.

Don’t you dare Dunkley this for me.

Let him go to St Kilda.

[macca]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

I thought some woofers had Liam Henry near BOG? No votes from either coach?

No disrespect to Henry, it wont help any clubs trade currency if his votes go up

Freo votes, his trade currency goes up and he may demand more or
Rival clubs will increase their counter offer

Freo are threatening to fall off a cliff sooner than later

They would not want to pay someone 600k+who has only played a handful of decent games , high risk paying someone on potential

[ledge]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

No disrespect to Henry, it wont help any clubs trade currency if his votes go up

Freo votes, his rrade currency goes up and he may demand more or
Rival clubs will increase their counter offer

Freo are threatening to fall off a cliff soonee than later

They would not want to pay someone 600k+who has only played a handful of decent games , high risk paying someone on potential

All teams pay on potential .. Tom Boyd was paid over a million 7 years ago after only a season and even though he helped us win a flag in reality he never really lived up to his potential .

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

All teams pay on potential .. Tom Boyd was paid over a million 7 years ago after only a season and even though he helped us win a flag in reality he never really lived up to his potential .

Respectfully disagree. Tom Boyd was the potential match winner who strongly contributed match winning performances in consecutive finals matches.

That was his potential achieved. He was just a meteor and not a long term star.

[1eyedog]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

Respectfully disagree. Tom Boyd was the potential match winner who strongly contributed match winning performances in consecutive finals matches.

That was his potential achieved. He was just a meteor and not a long term star.

Best however millions we ever spent.

[ledge]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

Respectfully disagree. Tom Boyd was the potential match winner who strongly contributed match winning performances in consecutive finals matches.

That was his potential achieved. He was just a meteor and not a long term star.

He was on a 7 year contract so the long term star was expected it didn’t eventuate. Thus he never lived up to his potential.
Believe me I am forever grateful of what happened but another 5 years didn't happen. He probably gave us one year all up. We would never have taken him if we knew he would only be good for a year then ride into the sunset.
Much the same as JHF one year at Nth and paid on potential . He will put in a lot more good games than Boyd did. All teams play big money on one or two players on potential.
Going back to Henry he looks good but I think we need to wait to see if he is consistent for a whole year . Is he a big game highlights player we just don’t know yet. Wouldn’t be throwing the kitchen sink at him just yet .

[macca]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

@ledge, @1eye @BJ
you are all correct

the thing with Tom Boyd it was high risk, crazy money at the time. But it was worth EVERY single dollar as we got a premiership.
Would any club be prepared to risk paying $7 million for a premiership? in hindsight for us it paid off, and even less, as Tom had graciousness and generosity to quit his contract. So it paid off twice in some ways for us, and cost us less than $7 million.

We were lucky, Tom finding form and/or playing through injuries was one of the many stars that lined up for us for the finals run and the great GF day.

it was the most amazing day of football I have ever watched... worth every dollar we paid for Tom.

[soupman]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

Boyd can be both absolutely worth it and a complete failure of a contract.

He played maybe 5 genuinely good games his whole time with us, luckily half of them were in a certain finals series. A bit of the Josh BRuce goals about it, but if you exclude the Prelim and GF Boyd might be the biggest failure of a huge contract ever. Of course if you include them (which we should) then he is worth all of it.

[Bornadog]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

Boyd can be both absolutely worth it and a complete failure of a contract.

He played maybe 5 genuinely good games his whole time with us, luckily half of them were in a certain finals series. A bit of the Josh BRuce goals about it, but if you exclude the Prelim and GF Boyd might be the biggest failure of a huge contract ever. Of course if you include them (which we should) then he is worth all of it.

But, what you forget is the big guys mature late, so he was no where near his peak. He was a kid playing in the Grand final and all the other years. He is now 27 years old. Of course we don't know if he would have improved her not, but he showed ability.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

Boyd can be both absolutely worth it and a complete failure of a contract.

He played maybe 5 genuinely good games his whole time with us, luckily half of them were in a certain finals series. A bit of the Josh BRuce goals about it, but if you exclude the Prelim and GF Boyd might be the biggest failure of a huge contract ever. Of course if you include them (which we should) then he is worth all of it.

True. Two opposite things can be true at the same time. The silver lining if we need to go over it all again, is that Boyd ended his contract and didn’t suck us dry for years playing VFL on and off. Allowing that money to be used elsewhere. Beyond that, he literally handed back over a million dollars (as we front loaded him a bit) and that money/salary cap used elsewhere too.

Now he had to be his rookie contract in his first year. So let’s say he actually cost us the 3 years at $3M for the duration. The club got $1.2M for winning the flag (prize money). No doubt the club sold enough merchandise and got sponsors off the back of the premiership too. Worth millions.

Worst case, we broke even in recruiting Tom Boyd financially.
Best case, we actually money in the short and long term recruiting Tom Boyd.

We don’t win the flag without him. But because of his honesty to retire, to forgo his contract and to literally hand back a million bucks, the full picture (to me at least) is that he saved the club any negative contract blow back. So I don’t see it as a bust, but that’s because of the young man he was and is. He didn’t play 200 games. But he gave us the cash to secure Keath & Bruce which took us to another GF and but for a last second ACL injury to Bruce vs Essendon, who knows if Boyd could’ve delivered us a second flag.

Personally, I don’t think Tom Boyd gets enough credit for not being a Jared Polec type cash sucker in the VFL, who gave us the salary cap to chase and nearly get a second flag with what could’ve been his salary. That to me is his other enduring legacy to the club.

[soupman]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

But, what you forget is the big guys mature late, so he was no where near his peak. He was a kid playing in the Grand final and all the other years. He is now 27 years old. Of course we don't know if he would have improved her not, but he showed ability.

Two things.

I think it would be hard to find many people who were convinced he would actually get there. We signed him to be a gun key forward and yet his most reliable contribution was as a solid ruck and rarely did he ever look like he was gonna take that next step forward. You could see early with guys like Jamarra and even Naughton forward that they had "it" and just needed time, i think Boyd almost never showed that aside from the GF.

But mainly you can't argue the contract would have been a success if it wasn't a failure. It is a success because of the flag, but without that it is an abject failure, even though there was a possibility that it wasn't going to be.

[ledge]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

Basically we signed him on potential for 7 years and without the premiership he gave us about 10 good games. The premiership year saved his career as being a failure. My point is every club buys players on potential. in fact every player is contracted on potential of what is thought they can bring to a club in future years .
Henry looks like an accumulater and is doing it in a mediocre team. I don’t think he will be a complete failure but can he produce moments and be damaging or is he another Lewis Taylor ? Is he worth the extra money to pry him out of a club.

[jeemak]

Re: WB Game Day V Fremantle R16 2023 Sun 1/7, 1:45PM - Marvel Stadium

Is it a bad contract if someone has a bad back and depression?