Tim English - What Price do you pay?

[JanLorMill]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

Need to start praying someone wants him?

[Sedat]

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He was fantasy points best on ground tonight.

[angelopetraglia]

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He was fantasy points best on ground tonight.

Engish was good offensively. He kicked two goals. He had 8 score involvements.

He just didn't impose himself on the game when it really mattered. The first half was a train wreck. How can he lose contested possesions to his direct opponent 10-0.

[bulldogtragic]

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Engish was good offensively. He kicked two goals. He had 8 score involvements.

He just didn't impose himself on the game when it really mattered. The first half was a train wreck. How can he lose contested possesions to his direct opponent 10-0.

By being soft.

[angelopetraglia]

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By being soft.

Yes. Also in pivotal moments in the last quarter too.

MASSIVE differential from what he adds offensively around the ground and the libality that he is in tough moments when it matters is huge.

[bulldogtragic]

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Yes. Also in pivotal moments in the last quarter too.

MASSIVE differential from what he adds offensively around the ground and the libality that he is in tough moments when it matters is huge.

That’s what the fantasy points don’t show up.

[Sedat]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

Engish was good offensively. He kicked two goals. He had 8 score involvements.

He just didn't impose himself on the game when it really mattered. The first half was a train wreck. How can he lose contested possesions to his direct opponent 10-0.

Tim is extremely damaging when he's on his own and in space, and he is a complete liability in contested situations (usually in moments when we can least afford it).

It has always been thus.

[angelopetraglia]

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Tim is extremely damaging when he's on his own and in space, and he is a complete liability in contested situations (usually in moments when we can least afford it).

It has always been thus.

Massive dilema.

I think when we are winning the toughness around the ball is probably overlooked. Also, many more opportunites to get on the end of it when you are winning the ball constantly at the source.

I watched Tim cloesly today and one his absolute assets is the way he can cover the ground for a big man. He runs forward of the ball when we have possession and also gets back. If we are dominating games he can rack up midfielder type numbers.

Inversely when we are under pressure and losing, his weaknesses are exposed.

[Sedat]

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Massive dilema.

Only when your nominated role in the team requires strength and resilience against your direct opponent.

He is a terrific link man and always has been. What he isn't is a reliable contested ruckman, and it's long odds he ever will be.

[jeemak]

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He's not consistently a good contested ruck but he is capable with the right level of in quarter application, and that's what is so frustrating about him.

However, I get just as frustrated with how he's not consistently able to apply himself in defensive support and stretching opposition defences. He drops away in these areas just as often as he drops away in his contested work, and this is what makes me cagey about his value.

Max Gawn may look like a dill sometimes with the odd blunder, but he consistently stands where he needs to when the opposition has the ball, he takes the marks he needs to so his team can be under less down the line pressure, and the gap between his highest contested application versus his worst is minor.

It's upstairs for Tim if he wants to be a consistent player and he probably isn't ever going to nail it. If he goes I just don't want to replace him with somebody worse than he is today.

[MrMahatma]

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Trade

[Scorlibo]

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English's contested work has definitely dropped away from last year, but I really don't understand the angst around his place at the club. He has to be the best performing scapegoat supporters have ever had.

Hypothetically we're going to pay him $1m a year, not hypothetically we are paying Jamarra $1m a year. One is a proven elite performer, the other is rated 32nd out of the 38 key forwards to play 6 or more matches this year.

I get that he's not a loveable bash and crash ruckman, he's not the People's Beard. But he is good, and totally not the problem!

[jeemak]

Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?

English's contested work has definitely dropped away from last year, but I really don't understand the angst around his place at the club. He has to be the best performing scapegoat supporters have ever had.

Hypothetically we're going to pay him $1m a year, not hypothetically we are paying Jamarra $1m a year. One is a proven elite performer, the other is rated 32nd out of the 38 key forwards to play 6 or more matches this year.

I get that he's not a loveable bash and crash ruckman, he's not the People's Beard. But he is good, and totally not the problem!

Yeah but you need to understand there's a whole lot of worse players in most comparable facets of the game who we could have to make us better, just so we can save $7,500 to $10,000 a year per listed player in salary cap.

Saving money and getting worse players than the ones we currently have to play for us might just be the way to end this malaise.

[anfo27]

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One thing that annoys me is at times Tim will get the ball in space & he can handball it off to a midfielder but he will take it himself. Know your place Tim! Let the bakers bake! yeah you're a good kick for a ruckman but your not a better kick then a midfielder.

[azabob]

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English is playing like someone who has a lot on their mind.

Kind of like he has made the decision he is leaving at years end.

His game against Essendon was his worst performance in a number of years and yesterday's first half against the Hawks was bloody close to his effort against the bombers.

I reckon the club might also know this and are fast tracking Sam Darcy by giving him more ruck time during the match - a number of times throughout the season Darcy has taken the ruck contest with English in the vicinity.