Tim English - What Price do you pay?

[Bornadog]

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History tells you don’t win premierships with million dollar rucks. They would have to be extra special and English isn’t that. Gawn would be the only one recent and even he was matched by a well past it cheap ruck in Martin on the day. Jackson won it but was not a million day player at the time.

My statement stands - you pay peanuts you get monkeys

[JanLorMill]

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My statement stands - you pay peanuts you get monkeys

Your definition of a monkey wins premierships then.
Nankervis won 3.

[Before I Die]

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History tells you don?t win premierships with million dollar rucks. They would have to be extra special and English isn?t that. Gawn would be the only one recent and even he was matched by a well past it cheap ruck in Martin on the day. Jackson won it but was not a million day player at the time.

Don't know about that. We won it in 2016 because of a million dollar ruck (allowing for salary cap increases) and without a recognised CHF, FF, CHB or FB. Just saying.

[hujsh]

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Don't know about that. We won it in 2016 because of a million dollar ruck (allowing for salary cap increases) and without a recognised CHF, FF, CHB or FB. Just saying.

Boyd was a second ruck at best. Roughead was our main ruck and not on a salary like that

[Bornadog]

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Your definition of a monkey wins premierships then.
Nankervis won 3.

We are going around in circles and we won't change eithers mind.

The fact remains - you want English, you pay market value. If you don't want him, fine. Good luck trying to get another ruck.

As I have said previously, I value English and to have one of the top three rucks at the Dogs, I would do everything to keep him.

Boyd was a second ruck at best. Roughead was our main ruck and not on a salary like that

He was still on a million

[Grantysghost]

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We are going around in circles and we won't change eithers mind.

The fact remains - you want English, you pay market value. If you don't want him, fine. Good luck trying to get another ruck.

As I have said previously, I value English and to have one of the top three rucks at the Dogs, I would do everything to keep him.



He was still on a million

Its basic supply and demand.

Not many good rucks, and they are in demand. So price high.

[JanLorMill]

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Don't know about that. We won it in 2016 because of a million dollar ruck (allowing for salary cap increases) and without a recognised CHF, FF, CHB or FB. Just saying.

Roughead was first ruck.
Boyd was FF/change ruck Morris FB Roberts or Hamling CHB. No need to over play it

[hujsh]

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He was still on a million

And it's still disingenuous to claim we won in 2016 because we went out and recruited a million dollar ruckman and trying to claim it doesn't really make Tim's case look any better IMO. If I was trying to make that point I'd look at how close Collingwood got with Grundy or the role Gawn played in getting Melbourne to the GF (it's not just about GF day you have to get there first). We recruited a forward on potential who played a role in the ruck out of necessity. Pretty different to Tim.

If Tim stays on less than a million, given the salary cap increases, I think we're good. There's hopefully a loyalty discount involved to some extent so as long as it's not a crazy long deal it should be fine/manageable.

[Bornadog]

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And it's still disingenuous to claim we won in 2016 because we went out and recruited a million dollar ruckman and trying to claim it doesn't really make Tim's case look any better IMO. If I was trying to make that point I'd look at how close Collingwood got with Grundy or the role Gawn played in getting Melbourne to the GF (it's not just about GF day you have to get there first). We recruited a forward on potential who played a role in the ruck out of necessity. Pretty different to Tim.

If Tim stays on less than a million, given the salary cap increases, I think we're good. There's hopefully a loyalty discount involved to some extent so as long as it's not a crazy long deal it should be fine/manageable.

I would argue, Tom was close to winning the Norm Smith - one of the best on the day.

Anyway, I don't care about player salaries. I care about what value they bring to the team. Salary Cap balancing is up to List management.

[hujsh]

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I would argue, Tom was close to winning the Norm Smith - one of the best on the day.

Anyway, I don't care about player salaries. I care about what value they bring to the team. Salary Cap balancing is up to List management.

Regardless of how good he was on the day, he was not a primary ruck. It's a great piece of evidence for how valuable Darcy should be though

[Sedat]

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Gawn is the best ruckman this century and in the best handful in history. Stef Martin was a 55yo Clydesdale and basically put him to sleep in the 2021 GF for 2.5 qtrs. Gawn actually volunteered to take himself off and get Jackson and his leap into ruck stoppages, and we know how that story ended.

Even the absolute best ruckmen in history don't guarantee a premiership. That's not to say we should let English walk.

[hujsh]

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Gawn is the best ruckman this century and in the best handful in history. Stef Martin was a 55yo cludesdale and basically put him to sleep in the 2021 GF for 2.5 qtrs. Gawn actually volunteered to take himself off and get Jackson and his leap into ruck stoppages, and we know how that story ended.

Even the absolute best ruckmen in history don't guarantee a premiership. That's not to say we should let English walk.

We can downplay Gawn's influence because of his performance on the day but what happened the week before? He was huge and who knows if they make it that far without him.

Though I think we're kind of aligned with your last sentence. Don't go crazy but don't insult him.

[Hotdog60]

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BIG DOG’S ‘IMPASSE’ ON BIG-MONEY TALKS

Ralph also reported the stall on contract talks between the Western Bulldogs and 2023 All-Australian ruckman Tim English.

“He’s at a contract impasse,” he told Midweek Tackle. “I reckon the Dogs are prepared to get to five years, (but) he wants six or seven years at a million (dollars) plus.

“I don’t think (that will happen), right now. He’s the ninth-ranked ruckman in the AFL.

“It’s time for him to have a massive 10 weeks. You know why Aaron Naughton got a massive deal? Because he got offers of 10 years elsewhere.

“This bloke, if he wants the money, (he’s) got to perform. You’re only as good as your last month, and it’s been poor.”

English, eligible for restricted free agency, has averaged 16.9 disposals, 5.8 marks, 3.6 tackles and 2.5 inside-50s — all of which are down on his All-Australian averages of last season.

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[bulldogtragic]

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Sam Power, tell him he’s dreaming.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Interesting to see how this plays out.

We enjoy handing out inflated contracts so I'm concerned. I'm not sure how we could possibly justify 1m for Tim on any deal, short or long term.