The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

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  • lemmon
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Nov 2008
    • 6599
    #16
    Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

    Jones biting off the tough kick from half back and turning it over was the one for me. I don't think Jones was helped by the kick before that though.

    Bramble had no idea what to do with that footy from centre half back. He stopped, propped and look like a deer in the headlights. A running half back really needs to be better with ball in hand than that.

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      • CarnTheScray
        Rookie List
        • Mar 2020
        • 139
        #17
        Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

        When Big Timmy was standing 500 metres off his direct opponent on two occasions, both leading to goals.

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          • angelopetraglia
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Nov 2008
            • 6940
            #18
            Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

            Originally posted by lemmon
            Jones biting off the tough kick from half back and turning it over was the one for me. I don't think Jones was helped by the kick before that though.

            Bramble had no idea what to do with that footy from centre half back. He stopped, propped and look like a deer in the headlights. A running half back really needs to be better with ball in hand than that.
            Agree on all of that. Further to this. At the other end, Hawthorn didn't have any issue finding safe targets coming out of their D50. Even when they fumbled or made a mistake they still had enought time to work their way through it.

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              • Mantis
                Hall of Fame
                • Apr 2007
                • 15547
                #19
                Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                Yep. Horrific option.

                Kick it to a spare or as an emergency kick it down the line to a pack. He chose to kick it to a 50/50 in space, so if there was a turnover it would be dangerous and we would be vulnerable. It was typical of the issues we had all night trying to the get the ball out of our D50.

                Again, is this system? Did the players work hard enough to give him an option? Is it just poor decision making from the individual with the ball in hand?

                Bevo mentioned in his presser we were one of the best teams in the comp at conceding scores from defensive half turnovers before the last couple of weeks, so it is a an interesting point. Why did it fall apart yesterday?
                The issue was none of our defenders made the effort to find space to give Liam an ''easy'' option and where the pack should've formed, we only had Laith one out... just a shit show from a team who didn't work hard enough.

                Probably a thread/ topic all for greater discussion but I did read that the Hawthorn team covered 11 more kilometres than our boys... that is an awful stat.

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                  • azabob
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 15484
                    #20
                    Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                    The moment for me was when Naughton crashed the pack and spoiled Jamarra in the first quarter.

                    Marra was one on one with his opponent and looked likely to mark the ball but Naughton got to the contest late and crashed the pack taking both him and Marra out in the process. Why contest why not wait on the ground?

                    It got me thinking which player in our team makes their teammate better?

                    It is a bloody short list, a very short list.
                    More of an In Bruges guy?

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                      • bulldogtragic
                        The List Manager
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 34289
                        #21
                        Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                        Originally posted by azabob
                        The moment for me was when Naughton crashed the pack and spoiled Jamarra in the first quarter.

                        Marra was one on one with his opponent and looked likely to mark the ball but Naughton got to the contest late and crashed the pack taking both him and Marra out in the process. Why contest why not wait on the ground?

                        It got me thinking which player in our team makes their teammate better?

                        It is a bloody short list, a very short list.
                        Why do they constantly spoil each other? It makes no sense the way they operate with each other.
                        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                          • EasternWest
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 10120
                            #22
                            Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                            I think it was when Marra rushed his last set shot. That situation was calling desperately for one of our leaders to just slow him down.
                            "It's over. It's all over."

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                              • Sedat
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 11605
                                #23
                                Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                                Originally posted by Mantis
                                Probably a thread/ topic all for greater discussion but I did read that the Hawthorn team covered 11 more kilometres than our boys... that is an awful stat.
                                It's obvious watching at the ground that we are conditional in our defending of the entire ground when we don't have the ball. That's just not going to cut it in 2024.
                                "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                                  • Mantis
                                    Hall of Fame
                                    • Apr 2007
                                    • 15547
                                    #24
                                    Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                                    Originally posted by Sedat
                                    It's obvious watching at the ground that we are conditional in our defending of the entire ground when we don't have the ball. That's just not going to cut it in 2024.
                                    It hasn't cut it for the past 2 and a bit seasons. Our defensive running is abysmal, lots of finger pointing and walking/jogging, and not much else.

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                                      • ledge
                                        Hall of Fame
                                        • Dec 2007
                                        • 14554
                                        #25
                                        Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                                        The minute Sicily did his shoulder I knew he would come back on and do whatever he wants.
                                        We didn’t even stand next to him and bump him , then he did his ankle just to confirm he would belt us.
                                        Soft as butter we are.
                                        Bring back the biff

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                                          • Happy Days
                                            Hall of Fame
                                            • May 2008
                                            • 10246
                                            #26
                                            Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                                            Fair effort by the Wizard to beat two veterans with about 50cm combined on him in that two on one in the last.
                                            - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                                              • Grantysghost
                                                Bouncing Strong
                                                • Apr 2010
                                                • 19389
                                                #27
                                                Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                                                Was the JJ / English debacle.

                                                We had all the momentum prior to that.

                                                It wasn't just JJs fault, English grabbed the ball and was dispossessed so easily for a big guy it was ludicrous.
                                                BT COME BACK!​

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                                                  • angelopetraglia
                                                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                                                    • Nov 2008
                                                    • 6940
                                                    #28
                                                    Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                                                    Originally posted by Grantysghost
                                                    Was the JJ / English debacle.

                                                    We had all the momentum prior to that.

                                                    It wasn't just JJs fault, English grabbed the ball and was dispossessed so easily for a big guy it was ludicrous.
                                                    To be fair it was probably holding the man. Tim should have got a free kick.

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                                                      • Bornadog
                                                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                                        • Jan 2007
                                                        • 67705
                                                        #29
                                                        Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                                                        Originally posted by Grantysghost
                                                        Was the JJ / English debacle.

                                                        We had all the momentum prior to that.

                                                        It wasn't just JJs fault, English grabbed the ball and was dispossessed so easily for a big guy it was ludicrous.
                                                        You need to take another look.

                                                        JJ's ball didn't hit English on the chest. The ball bounced on the ground in front of English. English leans over to pick it up, giving Sicily time to tackle him. The ball is knocked out of English's hand, but Sicily throws English to the ground. That is usually played as holding the man - no free, and Hawks kick a goal
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                                                          • Grantysghost
                                                            Bouncing Strong
                                                            • Apr 2010
                                                            • 19389
                                                            #30
                                                            Re: The Moment: Rnd 8, 2024 vs Hawthorn

                                                            Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                                                            To be fair it was probably holding the man. Tim should have got a free kick.
                                                            I thought it was all good, he was like a man that didnt expect contact and completely caved.

                                                            Watson had two efforts late that epitomised the gap in effort.
                                                            BT COME BACK!​

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