So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

[mjp]

Just watched the presser where Bevo spoke about everyone being on the same page.

I guess I don't really disagree - our ball movement seemed to fall down in the same part of the ground yesterday (full disclosure - missed the first 2 1/2 quarters 'cos at the state league stuff) no matter who had the ball in hand...

So it is as simple as 'the plan is just never gonna work'?

The players seem to be putting in a great deal of effort and whilst I would have loved to see a bit more intent post contest yesterday it's hard to be critical of effort...but man we can turn it over by foot.

Maybe - MAYBE - if everyone is united (and it looked like they were) - it's as simple as a couple of game-style changes???

Trying to be optimistic here...last q was certainly a rough watch.

[EasternWest]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

The issue for me is that we almost never get an easy lead up hit up to a forward yet it constantly seems to happen to us. And is been that way for years. I'd be doing something to address that.

[SonofScray]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

It's not just the wrong page. It's the wrong book. Probably the wrong prescription glasses. Might even be the wrong medium.



It's a sad final few weeks (hopefully days) for him at the club. Wish he was just honest with himself and walked away. Not up to it.

[angelopetraglia]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

The issue for me is that we almost never get an easy lead up hit up to a forward yet it constantly seems to happen to us. And is been that way for years. I'd be doing something to address that.

That is mainly due to our inability to move the ball our of our D50 with any poise. We never get over the back and into space like teams seem to do against us. I think that is the big difference. Teams can transition against, we don't appear to be able to transition against them. Those fast transitions not always, but many times end up with an easy forward entry hit up.

[The bulldog tragician]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

What do we mean by effort? Genuine question. Somewhere else it’s mentioned the Hawks ran 11 km more than us. At the ground I did question the effort especially in qtr 2. I saw players unwilling to run to make position, lack of options in the kick out, a lot of pointing to others to mind a man which was usually a very loose interpretation of “mind”. Are tackles easily shrugged off another metric for effort?
Our defensive fwd VDM went through a half with one possession!

In reality Hawthorn should have won by 5 goals. If our effort was ok then we are in big big trouble.

[Grantysghost]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

I don't know what is in the book these days.

2015 / 16 it was clear.

Revolutionary handball game with the +1 overlap out of the stoppage, manic pressure (men of mayhem) at the contest, rebound 50 drive via JJ / Biggsy etc, third man up etc there was a brand, something you could say is Bulldogs/Bevo footy.

Yesterday I sat there after having been at the Freo game (who have a clear identity) and thought : what's the plan here?

Get it in the forward 50 and pray?? We still use the +1 but the pressure just isn't there to stifle the opposition entries or create an overlap. Maybe sometimes the message just becomes boring and it's time for a new voice.

Bevo is our greatest ever coach, but all good things come to an end and I think the relationship has run it's course.

I mean I was standing there in the last quarter watching the game next to a fit Caleb Daniel. On what planet isn't he out there when you've got bloody Harmes and Gallagher in the side ??!

[Sedat]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

Trying to be optimistic here...last q was certainly a rough watch.

I don't recommend you watch the 2nd qtr or the last 20 minutes of the 1st qtr

[Sedat]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

I mean I was standing there in the last quarter watching the game next to a fit Caleb Daniel. On what planet isn't he out there when you've got bloody Harmes and Gallagher in the side ??!

Harmes was very good yesterday. Easily in the best 4-5 for us IMO.

Gags needs a break and to find some footy in the 2nds. He has struggled to impact for a number of weeks now.

Daniel circa 2024 is not fixing anything - harsh but true.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

What do we mean by effort? Genuine question. Somewhere else it?s mentioned the Hawks ran 11 km more than us. At the ground I did question the effort especially in qtr 2. I saw players unwilling to run to make position, lack of options in the kick out, a lot of pointing to others to mind a man which was usually a very loose interpretation of ?mind?. Are tackles easily shrugged off another metric for effort?
Our defensive fwd VDM went through a half with one possession!

In reality Hawthorn should have won by 5 goals. If our effort was ok then we are in big big trouble.

Yeah the effort is there when a loose ball is within the vicinity. But anything requiring running without the ball to either man up or chase, it's severely lacking.

I dunno what it is. Are they all tired from having to constantly man space and chase players all day? We seriously look like we're playing a different game out there sometimes. The gameplan is well and truly outdated or our players only know how to play state league footy.

[mjp]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

I don't recommend you watch the 2nd qtr or the last 20 minutes of the 1st qtr

LOLS. I don't hate myself quite that much (today).

[Mofra]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

It wasn't even the missed targets, it was the type of movement we were trying to pull off in the first half.
It seemed we were deliberately going slow which was ridiculous as it gave time for the Hawks defenders to set up.
They don't have monster talls but they do have a heap of mid-sizers who are good at peeling off and helping each other.

It's like we abandoned what we were trying to do up to this point to play the exact way the Hawks would have wanted us too. Lunacy

[G-Mo77]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

The issue for me is that we almost never get an easy lead up hit up to a forward yet it constantly seems to happen to us. And is been that way for years. I'd be doing something to address that.

They didn't move yesterday. For most of the time they stood in zones and waited for the player to kick to an area. No one would lead to that area, they'd stand still and point to it. That's not just the forwards it's across the whole ground. More often than not we'll kick sideways or hold it up.

If Naughton or JUH don't take a hanger over one or the either it's pretty rare to get a good forward leading pattern and get an easy mark inside 50. It's ugly on TV but even uglier at the ground seeing it.

[Bornadog]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

What do we mean by effort? Genuine question. Somewhere else it’s mentioned the Hawks ran 11 km more than us. At the ground I did question the effort especially in qtr 2. I saw players unwilling to run to make position, lack of options in the kick out, a lot of pointing to others to mind a man which was usually a very loose interpretation of “mind”. Are tackles easily shrugged off another metric for effort?
Our defensive fwd VDM went through a half with one possession!

In reality Hawthorn should have won by 5 goals. If our effort was ok then we are in big big trouble.

I thought the effort and intensity was shown in the last quarter only. For the other three quarters, we looked like we thought we were playing a bottom team and we will win. But, we forgot the hard work.

[Grantysghost]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

Harmes was very good yesterday. Easily in the best 4-5 for us IMO.

Gags needs a break and to find some footy in the 2nds. He has struggled to impact for a number of weeks now.

Daniel circa 2024 is not fixing anything - harsh but true.

Daniel circa 24 played in his best role maybe does.

Harmes is useless i really dont rate. Bit of an indictment on the rest if hes in our best.

[EasternWest]

Re: So - If everyone is on the same page, Maybe it's in the wrong book?

That is mainly due to our inability to move the ball our of our D50 with any poise. We never get over the back and into space like teams seem to do against us. I think that is the big difference. Teams can transition against, we don't appear to be able to transition against them. Those fast transitions not always, but many times end up with an easy forward entry hit up.

I guess that's my point. Why is it like that? Why can't we do it?