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  • Bulldog Joe
    Premiership Moderator
    • Jul 2009
    • 5567

    #16
    Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

    Originally posted by angelopetraglia
    Yes. Still an enormous influence. But for Bont that is minimal impact.

    Quick quiz. How many times did Marcus Bontempelli have only 18 or less posessions in the 2023 season. Zero times out of 23 games. 10 contested possessions, he only fell under that twice out of 23 games last year. Both 9. Now possesions are not everything, but it is still a minimal impact game from the great one.
    I agree that we measure Bont harshly.

    Some of the tap ons and blocks were sublime.
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    • angelopetraglia
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Nov 2008
      • 6840

      #17
      Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

      Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
      I agree that we measure Bont harshly.

      Some of the tap ons and blocks were sublime.
      The mark on the wing in the last quarter was incredible too. Not too many in the comp would have held that mark in the wet with someone wearing you. He is just a superstar and we are lucky enough to watch him every week. Blessed.

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      • jazzadogs
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Oct 2008
        • 5642

        #18
        Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

        Originally posted by azabob
        Not a dig at you Bumper Bulldogs but god damn we have set the bar high for Bontempelli.

        Bont vs Greater Western Sydney:


        8 inside 50s
        7 clearances
        5 tackles
        22 pressure acts
        4 score involvements
        equal team high 6 one percenters
        18 disposals (10 contested)
        2 marks (both contested)
        2 intercepts

        Thanks for posting these stats BAD.
        Bont still played a good game, no doubt about that. I don't think anyone is really criticising him or saying he had a poor game...just reduced impact compared to the standard he has set for himself over a long period.

        I thought he was very important and played quite a selfless game. Knowing that he was being tagged, he blocked and created space for the other mids as well as pushing forward to try and impact there.

        It's great to have a gutsy win where Bont wasn't in top 8 best players and no Libba. (I have Treloar, Richards, Naughton, Darcy, Harmes, Dale, Williams and Macrae ahead of him last night)

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        • kickit2Koly
          Rookie List
          • Nov 2023
          • 180

          #19
          Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

          1. We can win without Bont dominating. For a long time opposition fans have said no Bont no Bulldogs, that?s not the case anymore.

          2. Naughton is quietly putting together an all Aus calibre year.

          3. Marra isn?t going as bad as some think. Yes he needs to fix his goal kicking but he?s still having at least 3 shots a game. Lobb hasn?t had 3 shots all year.

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          • mighty_west
            Coaching Staff
            • Feb 2008
            • 3438

            #20
            Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

            1. I wrote Keath off at the start of the season by thinking he was only a "break glass" option along with Gardy if things got desperate, Keath has been a rock and has played as well as he has in quite a few seasons, only a couple of games but this helps Jones immensely and just gives us that extra trustworthy key defender, unfortunately for Busslinger though he has to remain extremely patient as he really is knocking the door down imo.

            2. Extremely poor kicking last night, yeah well kind of, whilst 8.22 looks bad 7 of those were rushed and 7 hit the post which is a bit of an anomaly really, that said Marra needs extra help, Westy was our worst offender with 1.4 but he's usually a good kick for goal.

            3. Laitham Vandermeer, is a bit of a whipping boy and i'm as guilty as anyone else getting stuck into him, but he's been ok and has kicked a few goals here and there, still needs to do a bit more imo but is tracking well, his crumbing goal last night was something the forward line has been lacking especially with 3 key forwards, if he can continue being more dangerous around the contest deep like a seagull down Willy beach waiting for a hot chippy, and continue being a pressure player then Arty and Clarke will have to work even harder and smarter in the VFL to get another crack at it.

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            • Dry Rot
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2007
              • 6444

              #21
              Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

              1. Keath is continuing to prove that his presence makes Jones and JOD better, our defence better and the whole team better.

              2. A Bulldogs team playing Richards in the midfield and no Libba may well be better than a Bulldogs team playing Richards in defence and Libba on the field.

              3. I always knew that Treloar was talented, but I've been disappointed up to now overall with many of his games for the Dogs. Now he is playing up to his talent level, and that is very high.
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              • D Mitchell
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2023
                • 652

                #22
                Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

                I didn't see the game last night. If the score was 8.22, of which 7 were rushed, then, as far as shots for goal and kicking accuracy is concerned, it's 8.15. 7 hit posts is extraordinary, you'd expect a couple, perhaps 3 in a high scoring game, 4 extra goals and 4 fewer behinds, 12.12. Whatever's on the scoreboard, statistically, it doesn't look all that bad.

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                • Ozza
                  Bulldog Team of the Century
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 6401

                  #23
                  Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

                  Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                  The mark on the wing in the last quarter was incredible too. Not too many in the comp would have held that mark in the wet with someone wearing you. He is just a superstar and we are lucky enough to watch him every week. Blessed.
                  Was directly in front of me. Was amazing how he just flexed and decided that it was too important for him to not win that contest.

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                  • Ozza
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 6401

                    #24
                    Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

                    1. Really dominant performance in reality. I went up for the game and the weather was bloody awful - windier than it would have looked on tv, and the drizzle was persistent enough that it affected the entire game. It was a very very good win.

                    2. Is it possible we play better away from the fast deck at Marvel? We looked harder to play against, weren't quite as overtly aggressive in the press up and the team defence/spacing of our players was really very good in all four quarters. At Marvel I'm often looking ahead at what will happen if we turnover the ball - and am living in fear. This was never the case on Saturday - GWS relied on Greene and Hogan being brilliant in some contests to score (apart from the Freijah/O'Donnell stuff up).

                    3. Doc Duryea - very team first, tough footballer. Didn't exactly learn it. But 200 games - well done.

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                    • lemmon
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 6521

                      #25
                      Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

                      Originally posted by jazzadogs
                      Bont still played a good game, no doubt about that. I don't think anyone is really criticising him or saying he had a poor game...just reduced impact compared to the standard he has set for himself over a long period.

                      I thought he was very important and played quite a selfless game. Knowing that he was being tagged, he blocked and created space for the other mids as well as pushing forward to try and impact there.

                      It's great to have a gutsy win where Bont wasn't in top 8 best players and no Libba. (I have Treloar, Richards, Naughton, Darcy, Harmes, Dale, Williams and Macrae ahead of him last night)
                      I think some credit has to go to Callan Ward as well - he was excellent. Even when it seemed like Bont was told to float more forward after half-time to try and expose Cal Ward defensively, Ward become a huge nuisance himself at the contest. Thought he played a very good game.

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                      • Mantis
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 15445

                        #26
                        Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

                        Originally posted by Dry Rot
                        1. Keath is continuing to prove that his presence makes Jones and JOD better, our defence better and the whole team better.

                        2. A Bulldogs team playing Richards in the midfield and no Libba may well be better than a Bulldogs team playing Richards in defence and Libba on the field.

                        3. I always knew that Treloar was talented, but I've been disappointed up to now overall with many of his games for the Dogs. Now he is playing up to his talent level, and that is very high.
                        This sets up an interesting dilemma for when (if) Libba returns... it's clear based on the last 2 games that Richards needs to be part of our 1st rotation in the centre and have at least an 80% attendance rate... how do we share the load with the others (Bont, Treloar & Libba)?

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                        • azabob
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 15304

                          #27
                          Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

                          Originally posted by Ozza
                          1. Really dominant performance in reality. I went up for the game and the weather was bloody awful - windier than it would have looked on tv, and the drizzle was persistent enough that it affected the entire game. It was a very very good win.

                          2. Is it possible we play better away from the fast deck at Marvel? We looked harder to play against, weren't quite as overtly aggressive in the press up and the team defence/spacing of our players was really very good in all four quarters. At Marvel I'm often looking ahead at what will happen if we turnover the ball - and am living in fear. This was never the case on Saturday - GWS relied on Greene and Hogan being brilliant in some contests to score (apart from the Freijah/O'Donnell stuff up).

                          3. Doc Duryea - very team first, tough footballer. Didn't exactly learn it. But 200 games - well done.
                          Thanks for the intel on the weather, on the TV it certainly didn't look too bad.

                          I reckon you are spot on with point two. I had a quick exchange with 1eyedog in maybe the match day thread in reference the ground. If you take it a bit further. We played well against GCS in Ballarat, against Geelong in Adelaide and ok against Richmond.
                          More of an In Bruges guy?

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                          • Mantis
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 15445

                            #28
                            Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

                            Originally posted by azabob
                            Thanks for the intel on the weather, on the TV it certainly didn't look too bad.

                            I reckon you are spot on with point two. I had a quick exchange with 1eyedog in maybe the match day thread in reference the ground. If you take it a bit further. We played well against GCS in Ballarat, against Geelong in Adelaide and ok against Richmond.
                            We were also completely dogshit at the G vs Melbourne after a promising start in that game.

                            At Marvel we were very good against WC & the Saints and crap against the Hawks.

                            I think it's more on our appetite/ ability to defend than the venue.

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                            • azabob
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15304

                              #29
                              Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

                              Originally posted by Mantis
                              We were also completely dogshit at the G vs Melbourne after a promising start in that game.

                              At Marvel we were very good against WC & the Saints and crap against the Hawks.

                              I think it's more on our appetite/ ability to defend than the venue.
                              Agree with the Melbourne take.

                              West Coast and the Saints they were both horrendous when we played them.

                              IMO our form away from Marvel is better than our form at Marvel.
                              More of an In Bruges guy?

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 66700

                                #30
                                Re: 3 things learned from Rd 10 vs GWS 2024

                                Originally posted by azabob
                                Agree with the Melbourne take.

                                West Coast and the Saints they were both horrendous when we played them.

                                IMO our form away from Marvel is better than our form at Marvel.
                                Next 5 games are at Marvel
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