Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

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  • mjp
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Jan 2007
    • 7291

    Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

    Originally posted by Grantysghost
    If we move it in fast on turn over and the swans scramble a stoppage that's a swans win. Then they r50 was what i was thinking. It's not exclusively us forcing a stoppage.
    ummmm....

    You can only score from 3 things:
    Kick-in
    Turnover
    Stop

    So the Swans forcing a stop in OUR f50 is GOOD by us...it means we have a contest in scoring position...what we make of it, that's challenge b. Remember, it takes 2-teams for a stoppage so I guess if you're saying our delivery inside 50 isn't what it should be, I'd say 'COOL'. But if you had to choose between a Swans intercept possession and a stoppage, what would you choose? Scrambling to force a stoppage inside f50 is GOOD.

    Now - should we have made more of those stoppages? Probs, yeah...but that's part 3:

    1/. Get the inside 50 (tick)
    2/. Win it or halve it (win it or halve it - Tick - we HALVED IT).
    3/. Win or halve the stop...etc.
    What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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    • mjp
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Jan 2007
      • 7291

      Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

      Originally posted by azabob
      Yep. Spot on. Now please explain the difference between a possession and a disposal - i'm still confused from the ESPN explanation on their podcast from a few weeks ago.
      A possession is something you WIN - contested or uncontested.
      A disposal is something that happens.

      eg.
      A kick in from a point is a disposal.
      A soccer off the ground marked by the oppo is an INEFFECTIVE DISPOSAL (soccers only become disposals when they result in a subsequent stat)
      A kick following on from a mark is a POSSESSION.
      What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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      • Grantysghost
        Bouncing Strong
        • Apr 2010
        • 18842

        Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

        Originally posted by mjp
        A possession is something you WIN - contested or uncontested.
        A disposal is something that happens.

        eg.
        A kick in from a point is a disposal.
        A soccer off the ground marked by the oppo is an INEFFECTIVE DISPOSAL (soccers only become disposals when they result in a subsequent stat)
        A kick following on from a mark is a POSSESSION.
        Is there a way punters can access the champion data stats for a cost? I'd love to access it via an api and create custom queries.
        BT COME BACK!​

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        • bulldogsthru&thru
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • May 2011
          • 7701

          Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

          Originally posted by jeemak
          I don't understand the purpose of the weekly crackdowns.

          Someone at AFL House says let's take any nuance out of this area of the game so we can **** it up a bit more for a few weeks and then go back to how it was before.

          Brilliant!!!
          Remember in, I think 2020 or 2021, where we had like 6 or 7 weeks of really strict holding the ball interpretation where pretty much everything was htb?? Then 2 weeks before finals started it completely vanished.

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          • Curly5
            Rookie List
            • Jul 2008
            • 391

            Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

            Originally posted by angelopetraglia
            Swans fans. In the Bulldog reserved seats. Creating conflict. I said this last time. I?m OK with them sitting there. But when you are in the middle of Bulldog fans, why choose to antagonise people. Unnecessary, stupid and dangerous. A few there tonight deserved a little violence, even though I don?t condone that.
            My sister who sits in the same seat surrounded by Bulldog fans had a loud-mouth Swans fan sitting behind them who laughed every time we missed a goal (which was bad enough). A woman turned around and told him to pipe down. He moved away after half time.

            I can't go to games so don't have a seat but apparently members are sent emails asking if they want to "sell" their seat back to the club if they're not going to a game so it can be reallocated to an opposition fan.
            Surely no one likes that?

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            • Curly5
              Rookie List
              • Jul 2008
              • 391

              Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

              Bevo said the defenders played for all of the second half, no breaks, as did English. Heroic effort.

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 65915

                Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

                Originally posted by Grantysghost
                Is there a way punters can access the champion data stats for a cost? I'd love to access it via an api and create custom queries.
                Here you go GG, the glossary of terms from Champion data

                FFC: Established 1883

                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                • azabob
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 15183

                  Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  Here you go GG, the glossary of terms from Champion data

                  https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/
                  You forgot to send your invoice!
                  More of an In Bruges guy?

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                  • Bornadog
                    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 65915

                    Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

                    Originally posted by angelopetraglia
                    Swans fans. In the Bulldog reserved seats. Creating conflict. I said this last time. I?m OK with them sitting there. But when you are in the middle of Bulldog fans, why choose to antagonise people. Unnecessary, stupid and dangerous. A few there tonight deserved a little violence, even though I don?t condone that.
                    I am in aisle 31 and there were Swans fans taking up vacant seats
                    FFC: Established 1883

                    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 65915

                      Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

                      Originally posted by azabob
                      You forgot to send your invoice!
                      It's in the mail
                      FFC: Established 1883

                      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                      • azabob
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 15183

                        Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

                        Originally posted by bornadog
                        I am in aisle 31 and there were Swans fans taking up vacant seats
                        I'm in aisle 32 and there are always opposition supporters in that area.
                        More of an In Bruges guy?

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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 65915

                          Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

                          Originally posted by azabob
                          I'm in aisle 32 and there are always opposition supporters in that area.
                          Level 2 ? if so Next time say hello
                          FFC: Established 1883

                          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                          • Testekill
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2015
                            • 2327

                            Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

                            Originally posted by Curly5
                            Bevo said the defenders played for all of the second half, no breaks, as did English. Heroic effort.
                            Jones and Keath with 100%
                            Dale & Bramble with 94 and 92%
                            Williams with 91%
                            Duryea & Daniel with 89 and 88%

                            English had 91% TOG as well, Marra had 96%

                            Swans highest TOG was Gulden was 97% and next highest was Florent with 91%

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                            • Happy Days
                              Hall of Fame
                              • May 2008
                              • 10069

                              Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

                              Gulden 97% is psychotic.
                              - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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                              • angelopetraglia
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 6768

                                Re: Bulldogs V Swans - Round 11, 23/5/24 Marvel Stadium 7:30PM AEST

                                Originally posted by Happy Days
                                Gulden 97% is psychotic.
                                Not suprising. But he covered the most distance on the night 16.2km. Next was Bramble 15.3km, CD 15.3km, Keath 14.9km, Florent 14.9km.

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