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  • G-Mo77
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Apr 2007
    • 9876

    #91
    Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
    This. They really want him and he’s contracted. He’s a great addition for them to put their young guns in the middle and have him at HB. He makes them a much better balanced side and a great leader too. If they want that as they do then 25 (30) is the starting point.
    Be realistic here and take our Bulldogs caps off, if we were chasing Caleb would you be happy giving up a high 2nd round pick? I know I wouldn't be, my starting would be a 3rd rounder.

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    • bulldogtragic
      The List Manager
      • Jan 2007
      • 34289

      #92
      Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

      Originally posted by G-Mo77
      Be realistic here and take our Bulldogs caps off, if we were chasing Caleb would you be happy giving up a high 2nd round pick? I know I wouldn't be, my starting would be a 3rd rounder.
      No bulldog cap here. It’s in effect Pick 30. They’re offering 4 years and have stated they need leaders like him on field and for their balance on field we led they need him. He’s under contract and we don’t have to deal. Without compo picks their natural 3rd would be 39. My position he’s worth slightly more than that owing to him being contracted and them putting up 4 years. He’s got a spot with us next year, unless North back it up. If they do with 25 (30) then we let him go. If not he stays. North are doing the chasing and throwing around large year contracts. North have to pay a fair price if they want that.
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      • G-Mo77
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Apr 2007
        • 9876

        #93
        Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

        The way I see it we don't trade him at all. He's not worth a 2nd on the market right now and is a valuable player if used correctly. Losing potentially 3 senior players and getting some numbers back is a horrible situation for us, we need to tread very carefully here.

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34289

          #94
          Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

          Originally posted by G-Mo77
          The way I see it we don't trade him at all. He's not worth a 2nd on the market right now and is a valuable player if used correctly. Losing potentially 3 senior players and getting some numbers back is a horrible situation for us, we need to tread very carefully here.
          I don’t think he gets traded except for that 25 (3). To me it’s either a good enough pick to warrant the trade or he stays. We need to keep rebuilding on the move and a solid pick helps that. But on this one I’m happy enough to see it go through at a good price or keep him. I’m not overly fussed.
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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 44676

            #95
            Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

            Originally posted by G-Mo77
            Be realistic here and take our Bulldogs caps off, if we were chasing Caleb would you be happy giving up a high 2nd round pick? I know I wouldn't be, my starting would be a 3rd rounder.
            It's apples and oranges, North have a plethora of young talent and their needs are vastly different to ours. They've identified Daniel as someone they want to bring into their squad and they might be comfortable enough to pay a bit overs.
            I agree that on face value they would be overpaying and perhaps we will have to give something else back but their needs are very different to ours.
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            • bulldogsthru&thru
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • May 2011
              • 7704

              #96
              Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

              Originally posted by G-Mo77
              The way I see it we don't trade him at all. He's not worth a 2nd on the market right now and is a valuable player if used correctly. Losing potentially 3 senior players and getting some numbers back is a horrible situation for us, we need to tread very carefully here.
              Especially when we're hearing we're considering trading our future 1st. I'm not sure I like the scenario of losing Macrae and Daniel AND trading our future 1st.

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              • jazzadogs
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Oct 2008
                • 5652

                #97
                Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

                When you combine the chat about our best and fairest top 10 all being 27+ except for Richards, and the fact that Caleb and Jack are closer to the fringe than the core of the side now...trading them out and bringing in more young kids is probably exactly what our list actually needs.

                This isn't a Norf fire sale of a few years ago where they delisted every single veteran on their list - if we lose Jack and Caleb we still have considerable experience and leadership in the squad.

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 66774

                  #98
                  Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

                  Originally posted by jazzadogs
                  When you combine the chat about our best and fairest top 10 all being 27+ except for Richards, and the fact that Caleb and Jack are closer to the fringe than the core of the side now...trading them out and bringing in more young kids is probably exactly what our list actually needs.

                  This isn't a Norf fire sale of a few years ago where they delisted every single veteran on their list - if we lose Jack and Caleb we still have considerable experience and leadership in the squad.
                  I said in another thread that we should be hitting the draft and forget the trade unless we bring in a young gun (somehow).
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                  • 1eyedog
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 13237

                    #99
                    Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

                    Originally posted by G-Mo77
                    Be realistic here and take our Bulldogs caps off, if we were chasing Caleb would you be happy giving up a high 2nd round pick? I know I wouldn't be, my starting would be a 3rd rounder.
                    For us, no. For North, it makes more sense especially following Clarkson coming out late this season stating they were after good experienced players.
                    But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                    • 1eyedog
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 13237

                      Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      I said in another thread that we should be hitting the draft and forget the trade unless we bring in a young gun (somehow).
                      We've hit zero targets so far so it looks like that's the only option for us.
                      But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                      • Sedat
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 11263

                        Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

                        Originally posted by 1eyedog
                        We've hit zero targets so far so it looks like that's the only option for us.
                        Sometimes hitting zero targets is a big win - I give you Lobbe and Bate as evidence.
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                        • GVGjr
                          Moderator
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 44676

                          Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          I said in another thread that we should be hitting the draft and forget the trade unless we bring in a young gun (somehow).
                          I liked what we did last year in bringing in 5 players from the National draft and it's been a bugbear for a few of us here over many years that we don't seem to hit the draft enough and back ourselves with some later picks. Yes, bringing in Marra, Treloar and Darcy reduced our draft capital but we now need to address it.

                          If we can get 3 top 30 players through the draft this year and perhaps 1 or 2 a bit later I think that will serve us better. That said, adding needs based players via trades should always be considered.
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                          • The Underdog
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 6872

                            Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

                            Originally posted by Sedat
                            Sometimes hitting zero targets is a big win - I give you Lobbe and Bate as evidence.
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                            • Mofra
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 14965

                              Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

                              Originally posted by G-Mo77
                              Be realistic here and take our Bulldogs caps off, if we were chasing Caleb would you be happy giving up a high 2nd round pick? I know I wouldn't be, my starting would be a 3rd rounder.
                              We were giving a 2nd rounder for Peatling weren't we, on a similar contract?
                              North have had more picks recently than Barratt has enemies so they do have draft capital (and cap) to spare.
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                              • 1eyedog
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 13237

                                Re: Bulldog ONLY Trade News

                                Originally posted by Sedat
                                Sometimes hitting zero targets is a big win - I give you Lobbe and Bate as evidence.
                                There is two sides to every story. Of the current list Bramble, Lobb and Duryea have been fantastic.

                                Baz, Macrae, Daniel and Garcia creates a bit of a vacuum so hopefully Sanders, Gallagher, Harmes, Poulter, Cleary can step up.

                                I'm still not convinced our potential outgoings are adequately replaced by what remains on the list (assuming our incomings through the draft are a season or two away from playing), but we're clearly moving very deliberately in a certain direction and that's a positive at this stage.
                                But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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