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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #1

    Rating The Overall List Management Period

    Three Trades Out: BS, CD & JM
    Four Not Continued: Bedendo, Clarke, Keath & Rypstra (AOD)

    Trade Ins from the Outs: Picks 17, 25 & Kennedy


    Player Trade In: Kennedy

    Pick Trades: 35 & 48 - for - 27
    Pick Trades: F3 - for - 49
    Pick Trades: F4 - for - 62
    (Essentially 35 & F3 to get 27)


    Picks: 17, 25, 27, 49 & 62 (Great picks in a strong draft to rebuild on the run)

    Salary Savings: $2M+ (HUGE!)


    Recruits: Hynes, Jacques, Dolan, Davidson & Kennedy

    2025 Picks: 1st & 2nd


    How it goes:

    Kennedy - Macrae
    Hynes - BS
    Jacques - CD
    Davidson - Bedendo
    Kennedy - Keath
    Dolan - Clarke
    TBA - Rookie/DFA/SSP/Upgrade ? - Rypstra (AOD)


    Lobb replaces Keath. But we look to have an extra midfielder on the list with a second ruck down. While genuine small forwards less again.
    Last edited by bulldogtragic; 21-11-2024, 08:45 PM.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34289

    #2
    Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

    Will update.

    Currently doing a few threads.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    • Testekill
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2015
      • 2327

      #3
      Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

      M. Kennedy- Big strong body, good clubman who will do whatever is needed for the team.

      Hynes- I'm still not the biggest fan of him at 20 as I'd have preferred some pace and a wing. Has talent and is a leader.

      Jaques- Addresses our depleted HBF stocks, co-captain at the Falcons so another leader.


      Dolan- Small midfielder/forward. Quick, evasive and with a big tank. Really like him as a pick.


      Davidson- Tall forward. Crazy growth as a player this season and I think he's a future wing.

      L. Kennedy- Defensively minded inside midfielder but a very good user of the ball. Make him Libba's protege immediately.

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      • bulldogsthru&thru
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • May 2011
        • 8049

        #4
        Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

        We've loaded up on some contested guys which like to get their hands dirty. I like it. Been crying out for this for some time.

        We still need a dash of pace in the side but overall a good period given what we were up against.

        Aside from obviously Kennedy I'm not sure too many of the draftees will make any serious impact next year but Freijah surprised most of us so we live on in hope. That's what it's all about.

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        • Testekill
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2015
          • 2327

          #5
          Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

          Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
          We've loaded up on some contested guys which like to get their hands dirty. I like it. Been crying out for this for some time.

          We still need a dash of pace in the side but overall a good period given what we were up against.

          Aside from obviously Kennedy I'm not sure too many of the draftees will make any serious impact next year but Freijah surprised most of us so we live on in hope. That's what it's all about.
          I think that Davidson plays earlier than expected next year. Everyone else will need development in the VFL.

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          • macca
            Coaching Staff
            • Sep 2007
            • 2391

            #6
            Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

            I like how we have drafted some quality people and they have good skills.

            Looking forwaed to see them grow and get a few games next year. Any games would be a bonus.

            Davidson sounds like an incredible pick for so late. His my choice for getting games next year.

            Thanks for all the woofers for the draft coverage and writes up. Really enjoy and appreciate your contributions and insights.

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            • jeemak
              Bulldog Legend
              • Oct 2010
              • 22155

              #7
              Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

              Skills by foot seems to have been a focus, and I like that. I also like that our first pick seems happy to be a genuine utility, and players like him with a bigger body are always handy.

              Realistically we weren't going to get a rolled gold and slick inside or outside (let alone someone who is competent at both of those roles) midfielder at 20. Going for someone with athletic and size upside at that pick as a utility was a good move.

              If he becomes a really solid week in and week out role player forward of centre, then we've done well.

              I also like that we've gone for a half back and then looked after midfield depth with what's left (outside of Davidson). Who knows where they all end up playing throughout their careers. I look at Bailey Williams and Bailey Dale, both were tried in multiple roles and took time to find their ideal spots, but what got them through was natural talent, good hands and good feet. I feel we've gone for similar types who will give us options going forward.
              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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              • Mantis
                Hall of Fame
                • Apr 2007
                • 15547

                #8
                Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

                I like our strategy.

                Our list needed a refresh and we?ve done that. Sounds like we?ve brought in players who are hard working, good characters and kick it well, which is a nice set of traits.

                Realistically we have enough depth for all to take some time, however as we saw with Joel young players can take big strides quickly when inside an environment which allows them to do so.

                Looking forward to watching them all develop.

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                • GVGjr
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 45577

                  #9
                  Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

                  This has been one of the more thorough list management adjustments we've had for a long while.
                  It was probably kick started by Bailey Smith request to move and then Macrae and Daniel's decision to test the market.
                  We received unders in trade value for Smith and Macrae but probably got a good return for Daniel.
                  While we will miss the 3 of them bringing in Matt Kennedy and moving up the order to secure Sanders last year has positioned us nicely for the 25 season.

                  Then bringing in 5 draftees over the last two nights by shuffling around some picks and working with other clubs we've changed the profile of the playing list. I'm reluctant to say it's a big win for us but I remain optimistic that we are in a good position.
                  Playing list wise for the draft it's not clear to me what our strategy was. If it's just good players, then fine lets measure the recruiters by it.
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                  • Testekill
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2015
                    • 2327

                    #10
                    Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

                    Originally posted by GVGjr
                    This has been one of the more thorough list management adjustments we've had for a long while.
                    It was probably kick started by Bailey Smith request to move and then Macrae and Daniel's decision to test the market.
                    We received unders in trade value for Smith and Macrae but probably got a good return for Daniel.
                    While we will miss the 3 of them bringing in Matt Kennedy and moving up the order to secure Sanders last year has positioned us nicely for the 25 season.

                    Then bringing in 5 draftees over the last two nights by shuffling around some picks and working with other clubs we've changed the profile of the playing list. I'm reluctant to say it's a big win for us but I remain optimistic that we are in a good position.
                    Playing list wise for the draft it's not clear to me what our strategy was. If it's just good players, then fine lets measure the recruiters by it.
                    I like that we were aggressive in drafting talent this year, next year doesn't sound like a great draft so I'd rather recruit a full contingent this year and go in with the minimum changes next year.

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                    • hujsh
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 11962

                      #11
                      Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

                      We've really struggled with formal leadership since the Bont with our rotating cast of VC candidates and it seems like we want to avoid the same issue in the future for Naughton (assuming he's the next big C)
                      [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                      • hujsh
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 11962

                        #12
                        Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

                        Originally posted by GVGjr
                        This has been one of the more thorough list management adjustments we've had for a long while.
                        It was probably kick started by Bailey Smith request to move and then Macrae and Daniel's decision to test the market.
                        We received unders in trade value for Smith and Macrae but probably got a good return for Daniel.
                        While we will miss the 3 of them bringing in Matt Kennedy and moving up the order to secure Sanders last year has positioned us nicely for the 25 season.

                        Then bringing in 5 draftees over the last two nights by shuffling around some picks and working with other clubs we've changed the profile of the playing list. I'm reluctant to say it's a big win for us but I remain optimistic that we are in a good position.
                        Playing list wise for the draft it's not clear to me what our strategy was. If it's just good players, then fine lets measure the recruiters by it.
                        And thankfully all we've given up from next year are 3rd and 4th round picks. If the draft next year is shallow it's not like we'd want to be going that deep anyway
                        [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                        • GVGjr
                          Moderator
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 45577

                          #13
                          Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

                          Originally posted by hujsh
                          We've really struggled with formal leadership since the Bont with our rotating cast of VC candidates and it seems like we want to avoid the same issue in the future for Naughton (assuming he's the next big C)
                          It's been uncanny how so many of the leadership group have moved away from it over the last few years.
                          Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                          • bulldogsthru&thru
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • May 2011
                            • 8049

                            #14
                            Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

                            Originally posted by hujsh
                            And thankfully all we've given up from next year are 3rd and 4th round picks. If the draft next year is shallow it's not like we'd want to be going that deep anyway
                            Yeah I thought this was a decent indicator we also don't rate the draft next year. A few trades this draft indicated that also. We will probably be happy to just got 2 rounds next year.

                            Although do we have any FS picks next year?

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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34289

                              #15
                              Re: Rating The Overall List Management Period

                              Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
                              Yeah I thought this was a decent indicator we also don't rate the draft next year. A few trades this draft indicated that also. We will probably be happy to just got 2 rounds next year.

                              Although do we have any FS picks next year?
                              No FS next year that I know of, but West & Cooney are the well known names the year after.

                              Our problem next year might be we might need to cut/retire 6-7 players next year, although a few are rookies. At a minimum our 3 next year are 1st, 2nd and upgrade of JOD (mandatory). We could upgrade others to lessen the ND pick numbers, but still have even more rookie spots open.

                              I have a dream too, that one day, a free agent will want our large money offers to come and take a list spot too.
                              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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