Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

I don't understand how the philosophy works.

Westy gets a tap on the shoulder but Eagle, Skipper and Wight, who aren't even worth licking the feet of Westy, clog the list like fatty deposits in the circulatory system of a heart attack victim.
I much prefer this scenario.
Skipper and Wight are delisted. Eagleton get's talked into retiring.

Westy gets a years grace for his selfless and noble efforts for the dogs over 300+ games.
EVEN IF HE DOESN'T PLAY A SINGLE GAME.

A legendary warrior gets the respect he deserves and the system gets flushed out for new picks.

Well,

Skipper is tall.
Wight and Eagle have contracts.
West has a degenerative knee and was out of contract.

Having said that, I agree somewhat with the general sentiment that some on the list don't really deserve to be.

[Sedat]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

I don't understand how the philosophy works.

Westy gets a tap on the shoulder but Eagle, Skipper and Wight, who aren't even worth licking the feet of Westy, clog the list like fatty deposits in the circulatory system of a heart attack victim.
I much prefer this scenario.
Skipper and Wight are delisted. Eagleton get's talked into retiring.

Westy gets a years grace for his selfless and noble efforts for the dogs over 300+ games.
EVEN IF HE DOESN'T PLAY A SINGLE GAME.

A legendary warrior gets the respect he deserves and the system gets flushed out for new picks.

Westy gets a tap because his knee is shot to buggery and we have ample midfield cover coming through - we did improve from 13th to 3rd with Westy out of the side most of the season, no small thanks to the likes of Cross, Boyd, Cooney, Griffen and co. Skipper is the 3rd string ruckman and is kept over Street. Wight is kept as insurance in case Williams gets hit by a bus in the off season. Eagle stays because he is under contract (I'm not happy about this either).

If Skipper and Street are delisted, who comes into calculations for the rucks if either one of Minson and Hudson get injured? Neither Mulligan or Shaw are anywhere near it at this stage. One of Skip or Street simply has to stay.

Who plays key defence if Lake is injured long-term? Wight is not much chop at all but the cupboard is bare outside of Lake, Williams and Everitt - Tiller is not tall enough to take anyone outside the 3rd string talls. Didn't realise Wight was also contracted next season. Granted Eagle is replacable several times over by young midfielders coming through - we could pay him out and delist him now but the recruiting team does not rate the lower reaches of the draft so what is the point (can't believe I'm sticking up for the Eagle).

Nobody deserves an honorary position on our list for symbolic purposes only - if Westy is not physically up to the task any more then we would have been derelict in our duty had we kept him on the list.

Do Eagle, Wight and Skipper deserve another season on an AFL list? That's another question altogether.

[azabob]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

I don't understand how the philosophy works.

Westy gets a tap on the shoulder but Eagle, Skipper and Wight, who aren't even worth licking the feet of Westy, clog the list like fatty deposits in the circulatory system of a heart attack victim.
I much prefer this scenario.
Skipper and Wight are delisted. Eagleton get's talked into retiring.

Westy gets a years grace for his selfless and noble efforts for the dogs over 300+ games.
EVEN IF HE DOESN'T PLAY A SINGLE GAME.

A legendary warrior gets the respect he deserves and the system gets flushed out for new picks.

We cannot delist both Skipper and Street, if we do we wont have a back up ruckman.
The West decision had to be made and was made. We still need Cam Wight on the list as a back up when one of our very few tall players get injured.
Just remember people dont get confused with Quantity over Quality.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

I'd Rather Use Libba As A Back Up Ruckman Than Wight Or Skipper.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

We cannot delist both Skipper and Street, if we do we wont have a back up ruckman.
The West decision had to be made and was made. We still need Cam Wight on the list as a back up when one of our very few tall players get injured.
Just remember people dont get confused with Quantity over Quality.

But we don't use Wight when our talls are injured anyway..........

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

Westy gets a tap because his knee is shot to buggery and we have ample midfield cover coming through - we did improve from 13th to 3rd with Westy out of the side most of the season, no small thanks to the likes of Cross, Boyd, Cooney, Griffen and co. Skipper is the 3rd string ruckman and is kept over Street. Wight is kept as insurance in case Williams gets hit by a bus in the off season. Eagle stays because he is under contract (I'm not happy about this either).

If Skipper and Street are delisted, who comes into calculations for the rucks if either one of Minson and Hudson get injured? Neither Mulligan or Shaw are anywhere near it at this stage. One of Skip or Street simply has to stay.

Who plays key defence if Lake is injured long-term? Wight is not much chop at all but the cupboard is bare outside of Lake, Williams and Everitt - Tiller is not tall enough to take anyone outside the 3rd string talls. Didn't realise Wight was also contracted next season. Granted Eagle is replacable several times over by young midfielders coming through - we could pay him out and delist him now but the recruiting team does not rate the lower reaches of the draft so what is the point (can't believe I'm sticking up for the Eagle).

Nobody deserves an honorary position on our list for symbolic purposes only - if Westy is not physically up to the task any more then we would have been derelict in our duty had we kept him on the list.

Do Eagle, Wight and Skipper deserve another season on an AFL list? That's another question altogether.

Mullighan and Shaw are nowhere near it? I guess that put's them right alongside Skipper.
I'd rather have a young rookie who was nowhere near it than an 8 year veteran who was never anywhere near it.

[Scorlibo]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

But we don't use Wight when our talls are injured anyway..........

Indeed, delist Wight and use pick 64 to get a good kid in a strong, untampered and deep draft (to whoever asked about the depth, I would say the first 40 picks are very valuable and another 30 or so outside them also have serious talent to be developed).

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

Westy gets a tap because his knee is shot to buggery and we have ample midfield cover coming through - we did improve from 13th to 3rd with Westy out of the side most of the season, no small thanks to the likes of Cross, Boyd, Cooney, Griffen and co. Skipper is the 3rd string ruckman and is kept over Street. Wight is kept as insurance in case Williams gets hit by a bus in the off season. Eagle stays because he is under contract (I'm not happy about this either).

If Skipper and Street are delisted, who comes into calculations for the rucks if either one of Minson and Hudson get injured? Neither Mulligan or Shaw are anywhere near it at this stage. One of Skip or Street simply has to stay.

Who plays key defence if Lake is injured long-term? Wight is not much chop at all but the cupboard is bare outside of Lake, Williams and Everitt - Tiller is not tall enough to take anyone outside the 3rd string talls. Didn't realise Wight was also contracted next season. Granted Eagle is replacable several times over by young midfielders coming through - we could pay him out and delist him now but the recruiting team does not rate the lower reaches of the draft so what is the point (can't believe I'm sticking up for the Eagle).

Nobody deserves an honorary position on our list for symbolic purposes only - if Westy is not physically up to the task any more then we would have been derelict in our duty had we kept him on the list.

Do Eagle, Wight and Skipper deserve another season on an AFL list? That's another question altogether.

I'd like to disagree with you in regards the honorary and symbolic position on our list.

A) Westy is on the veterans list and is not stopping a young player getting a spot.
B) There is such a thing as sentimentality and symbolism in sport. Otherwise we'd all lose interest pretty quickly. What would someone like Westy command as a wage just as a mentor and a marketing figure. As an advisor and motivator. Probably more than he would have been prepared to play for.
C) Westy might have played again with proper rest and rehab but he was pushing himself as hard as he could to play finals this year.
D) I think the positive flow on effect of giving Westy another year would have been spiritual, motivational and financial.

[Topdog]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

If it didn't cost us about $600,000 we probably would have done what you said dancing dougie.

[Scraggers]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

If it didn't cost us about $600,000 we probably would have done what you said dancing dougie.

So are saying our delistings and forced retirements are more a financial decision rather than a strategic one?

And if so, how can we compete against The Hawthorns and The Geelongs of the world if our coaching team can't choose their preferred team make-up ... knowing both Hawthorn and Geelong were in our fiscal position not all that long ago yet made hard decisions to get their preferred team

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

So are saying our delistings and forced retirements are more a financial decision rather than a strategic one?

And if so, how can we compete against The Hawthorns and The Geelongs of the world if our coaching team can't choose their preferred team make-up ... knowing both Hawthorn and Geelong were in our fiscal position not all that long ago yet made hard decisions to get their preferred team

I think its naive to think that decisions that the club makes are totally without regard to financial issues. $600k is a sizeable amount of cash to pay someone to sit on their butt and not contribute.

I think the decision to go with 3 players was twofold:


1. We delisted and traded heavily in the last two years and brought in a number of young players all of whom are still on the list (last 2 drafts) and all of whom look like being capable of playing senior football (O'shea aside);

2. Team Balance suggests that to delist Eagle or Wight could cause us serious problems if we have injuries.

I have no doubt that the club would have preferred Ray to stay and take Eagles position in 2009, but he chose an alternative path. Wight may or may not play next year, but having him as a back up if we have a terrible run with injuries to our talls is prudent management.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

Westy was on a year by year agreement. I'm certain he would have gone on for substantially less than $600,000. If he was demanding that amount then the club made the right decision but I find that very hard to believe.

[Bornadog]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

Westy was on a year by year agreement. I'm certain he would have gone on for substantially less than $600,000. If he was demanding that amount then the club made the right decision but I find that very hard to believe.

DD, West will be 34 years old in a few months, has a bung knee and it was time to let a young player have a go. Its now done and dusted and time to give Okeefe, Reid, Wood, Lynch etc a go.

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

Just heard that young gun forward from Sturt Paul Cahill may have some "off field" issues that would need to be managed carefully or may cause some clubs to go cold.


No idea what (if anything at all)

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Are 2 (live) Picks in the Draft Enough?

Just heard that young gun forward from Sturt Paul Cahill may have some "off field" issues that would need to be managed carefully or may cause some clubs to go cold.


No idea what (if anything at all)

Huge correction to that


Not off field issues at all

The concern is whether he would be mentally tough enough for the AFL system

ALso can be selfish as well; apparently. Would get on very well in the forward line with Johnno