Tim Callan

[Bornadog]

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If this is regarding the Addison moving into the midfield, I think there is a realistic chance of it happening. I think Rocket sees our back 6 as something like this:

Morris, Lake, Callan
Hargrave, Williams, Gilbee

With Everitt or Addison rotating through.

I think Addison will spend most of his time in the midfield, even though there aren't that many spots available, simpky because Callan is a better lock down defender and Addison is already regularly moved into the middle and his hardness is something we don't really have in there as of yet. (Thats not to say blokes like Cross and Boyd aren't tough footballers, its more so that they don't have the aggression that Addison has. I wouldn't mind seeing Addision roughing up a Kerr at a centre bounce every now and then).

Rocket has stated that he would try Addison in the midfield. His hardness in the centre would be just what the doctor ordered.

[ledge]

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Addison and Callan would be great in the centre if they could read the ball off the ruck, but they arent that sort of player, they are more reactive than proactive and are led to the ball by their opponent, then they put the pressure on, you cant do that in the centre the ball is gone in a split second.
I am in no way picking on these guys i do love the hardness and desparation they bring.

[soupman]

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Addison and Callan would be great in the centre if they could read the ball off the ruck, but they arent that sort of player, they are more reactive than proactive and are led to the ball by their opponent, then they put the pressure on, you cant do that in the centre the ball is gone in a split second.
I am in no way picking on these guys i do love the hardness and desparation they bring.

I don't think Addison would be the target in the middle though. He'd be the bloke standing infront of the opositions primary target to try and make life hard for them, or otherwise running in off the wing.

Callan I don't see as a midfielder, but his finals performances showed that he could push up into a half-back role if required, similiar to Gilbee's role except obviously of a lower standard.

[Happy Days]

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What about trying him (Addison) as a run-with player?

[mjp]

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If we are winning games, I dont see Callan and Addison both playing....

The back 6 will include Morris, Lake and Gilbee - they are pretty much the corner-stones. You can add Hargrave to that mix - he showed in 2008 that everyone needs to forget he is 190cm tall - he is simply a gun defender against opposition smalls. That leaves two spots.

Everitt *should* take one - he has elite kicking skills and can do things the others can't. And then we need 'someone' to play at CHB. I know that Williams is the popular pick, but I have no faith in his ability to stay on the park, so really have no idea what will happen here...I guess we will again end up with Morris fighting out of his weight division, Everitt playing 3rd tall and either Callan or Addison filling in. To me, this is not ideal - and if Everitt and Gilbee are tied down in any way I would send Griffen to half-back just to try and get some run and penetration (and kicking skills) back there.

I guess Addison then needs to find his way in a mid-field including Cooney, Cross, Boyd, Gia, Eagleton, Higgins etc. There may be a spot there, but he is going to have to make the most of his chances.

[Ozza]

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With the way players are rotated in the modern game - I don't think we have to be worried about where exactly players will line up - as it is a week to week proposition and will change during games.

But Callan will get the quick small forwards most of the time - blokes like Rioli, Davey, Stokes, Alwyn Davey, Betts etc. And I see Addison as getting plenty of run with roles in the middle - as well as spending time on a wing and at half back.

The toughness of both these two will see them both play most - if not - all weeks this year in my opinion. I thought we missed Addison's hardness in the finals at times.

[azabob]

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If we are winning games, I dont see Callan and Addison both playing....
The back 6 will include Morris, Lake and Gilbee - they are pretty much the corner-stones. You can add Hargrave to that mix - he showed in 2008 that everyone needs to forget he is 190cm tall - he is simply a gun defender against opposition smalls. That leaves two spots.

Everitt *should* take one - he has elite kicking skills and can do things the others can't. And then we need 'someone' to play at CHB. I know that Williams is the popular pick, but I have no faith in his ability to stay on the park, so really have no idea what will happen here...I guess we will again end up with Morris fighting out of his weight division, Everitt playing 3rd tall and either Callan or Addison filling in. To me, this is not ideal - and if Everitt and Gilbee are tied down in any way I would send Griffen to half-back just to try and get some run and penetration (and kicking skills) back there.

I guess Addison then needs to find his way in a mid-field including Cooney, Cross, Boyd, Gia, Eagleton, Higgins etc. There may be a spot there, but he is going to have to make the most of his chances.

Both of them were playing last year when we were winning. At least they are going to give 100% each contest as opposed to Everitt who appears to have the attitude of his brother I'm afraid to say. Hopefully I am wrong but I cant help think that both Grant and Everitt will frustrate all supporters no end with their lagadasical attitude.

[mjp]

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Both of them were playing last year when we were winning.

No - they weren't. They hardly played together at all. First Callan was injured and Addison was in, then the reverse was true...They played together a bit, but from my recollection it coincided with some of our mid-late season struggles.

At least they are going to give 100% each contest as opposed to Everitt who appears to have the attitude of his brother I'm afraid to say. Hopefully I am wrong but I cant help think that both Grant and Everitt will frustrate all supporters no end with their lagadasical attitude.

As noted, they do try hard. But that doesn't give them a free pass to turn the ball over. Please don't judge footballers attitude by their attitude when you are only looking at them from 150m away - Robert Murphy is the epitome of lackadaisical at times but based on your username you dont have any issues with him...Everitt and Grant (yet to even debut) are very young (as is Addison I acknowledge) so lets just assume for a second they are trying as hard as they can.

[mjp]

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With the way players are rotated in the modern game - I don't think we have to be worried about where exactly players will line up - as it is a week to week proposition and will change during games.

But Callan will get the quick small forwards most of the time - blokes like Rioli, Davey, Stokes, Alwyn Davey, Betts etc. And I see Addison as getting plenty of run with roles in the middle - as well as spending time on a wing and at half back.

The toughness of both these two will see them both play most - if not - all weeks this year in my opinion. I thought we missed Addison's hardness in the finals at times.

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There are about 6 spots in Rockets team:

1 x Tall forward (stay at home)
1 x small forward (not past the wing)
1 x ruckman
6 x defenders (match-up based).
9 x midfielders

The bench is usually 2 mids, 1 defender, 1 tall. I will say though that several of the 'defenders' also go through the midfield at times.

Interesting point you raise though - in the finals last year, we only played 5 defenders in the 22 and simply rotated an extra mid through that spot...will be interesting to see if that continues.




No - Callan will not take the opposition smalls. Hargrave will - he has proved most capable in this area.

Maybe we missed Addison's hardness in the finals - my perspective was we lacked some decent finishers as we certainly generated enough forward entries to defeat Geelong (ignore the Hawthorn game, one player would not have helped that night)...

[LostDoggy]

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Interesting point you raise though - in the finals last year, we only played 5 defenders in the 22 and simply rotated an extra mid through that spot...will be interesting to see if that continues.
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We were given the reach around trying this in the pressure of finals footy. I would suggest that we would not attempt such a move unless we were decimated by injuries to the backline.

We only played 5 or maybe 6 defenders that night, this meant that we had to play Aker down back and subsequently Cross behind the square flaoting in fornt of the Hawks defence. This proved to be diabolical and I would hope that 6 fit defenders will occupy the 6 spots available in defence.

[azabob]

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No - they weren't. They hardly played together at all. First Callan was injured and Addison was in, then the reverse was true...They played together a bit, but from my recollection it coincided with some of our mid-late season struggles.


I think the played early on together before Callan got injured and then when Addison got injured Callan got back in. So yeah again it is a wait and see if both are in our best 22. but chances are with injuries we will never know.
What would be good is to know Eade's "ideal" 22.

As noted, they do try hard. But that doesn't give them a free pass to turn the ball over. Please don't judge footballers attitude by their attitude when you are only looking at them from 150m away - Robert Murphy is the epitome of lackadaisical at times but based on your username you dont have any issues with him...Everitt and Grant (yet to even debut) are very young (as is Addison I acknowledge) so lets just assume for a second they are trying as hard as they can.

I hope I am wrong, but why was Everitt so poor in 2008? As I said I hope I am wrong about both players as we need them both to stand up.

[The Underdog]

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I hope I am wrong, but why was Everitt so poor in 2008? As I said I hope I am wrong about both players as we need them both to stand up.

Why was Everitt so poor in 2008?
How about an interrupted pre-season leading to a late start and lack of fitness & a loss of confidence resulting from this. He had a really positive first season and some problems in his second mostly stemming from injuries. Please don't denigrate him or Grant (who had OP last year, FFS) before they've had a real opportunity to establish themselves. They are kids whose development won't be dictated by supporters needs for a quick fix to a long established problem.

[azabob]

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Why was Everitt so poor in 2008?
How about an interrupted pre-season leading to a late start and lack of fitness & a loss of confidence resulting from this. He had a really positive first season and some problems in his second mostly stemming from injuries. Please don't denigrate him or Grant (who had OP last year, FFS) before they've had a real opportunity to establish themselves. They are kids whose development won't be dictated by supporters needs for a quick fix to a long established problem.

Agree he had a fantastic first season, but Eade and he have both said he did not come back for pre season in 2008 with the right attitude. This forum is about expressing ones opinion about topics so please don't tell me what I can or cannot say, or are we only allowed to "denigrate" players such as Eagleton and Wight? People on here have openly stated that Malcom Lynch's attitude was shocking in 2008 and I see no difference in what was said about him and what I said about Everitt.

[The Underdog]

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Agree he had a fantastic first season, but Eade and he have both said he did not come back for pre season in 2008 with the right attitude. This forum is about expressing ones opinion about topics so please don't tell me what I can or cannot say, or are we only allowed to "denigrate" players such as Eagleton and Wight? People on here have openly stated that Malcom Lynch's attitude was shocking in 2008 and I see no difference in what was said about him and what I said about Everitt.

Sorry I didn't mean to tell you what you can or can't say at all. I was more just saying that perhaps we shouldn't be too judgemental about young guys who will ebb and flow somewhat in their development. I do think we have a better opportunity to evaluate players such as Eagleton and Wight as they have had the chance to prove themselves or otherwise and we know their strengths and weaknesses.
Grant played less than half a season at VFL level before succumbing to OP and while he apparently took a little while to get used to the professionalism of the AFL environment all reports are that he's fitting in and is still highly rated. While Everitt may have had not the right attitude coming into season 2 he also had a fairly serious leg injury over the pre-season which put him behind the 8 ball somewhat. All indications are that he has the ability to play AFL football at a high level from what we've seen and how the club feels.
It's been well documented that Lynch came back from Christmas break last year overweight and I think his attitude was more of an issue in his performance last year than with the other two, although again it would appear he's learnt from that and the club saw enough in him to keep him on the list. Perhaps that's just how I see it but I'm not going to be getting overly concerned or judgemental about players who have had minimal or no real opportunity to prove themselves.

Anyway, how about that Tim Callan, hey?

[azabob]

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Sorry I didn't mean to tell you what you can or can't say at all. I was more just saying that perhaps we shouldn't be too judgemental about young guys who will ebb and flow somewhat in their development. I do think we have a better opportunity to evaluate players such as Eagleton and Wight as they have had the chance to prove themselves or otherwise and we know their strengths and weaknesses.
Grant played less than half a season at VFL level before succumbing to OP and while he apparently took a little while to get used to the professionalism of the AFL environment all reports are that he's fitting in and is still highly rated. While Everitt may have had not the right attitude coming into season 2 he also had a fairly serious leg injury over the pre-season which put him behind the 8 ball somewhat. All indications are that he has the ability to play AFL football at a high level from what we've seen and how the club feels.
It's been well documented that Lynch came back from Christmas break last year overweight and I think his attitude was more of an issue in his performance last year than with the other two, although again it would appear he's learnt from that and the club saw enough in him to keep him on the list. Perhaps that's just how I see it but I'm not going to be getting overly concerned or judgemental about players who have had minimal or no real opportunity to prove themselves.

Anyway, how about that Tim Callan, hey?

Whats Tim Callan got to do with this? lol. Only joking; it is quite funny how often threads get taken off track.
But I can't wait for Everitt & Grant to get a few more pre seasons under them and see what they can produce in the coming years.