WOOF Player Awards

[westdog54]

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I'm still yet to see the match so I can't give votes

One thing I did spot scanning through the stats however

Nathan Eagleton, on top of his 20 touches and six marks, had a game high 7 tackles.

I'm pointing this out only because I thought he could've gone a bit harder in the NAB Cup game against the lions. Its obviously something Rocket spotted as well and drummed into him

[Raw Toast]

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1. Johnson (got too hungry though in the last and blazed twice when he should've passed).
2. Cross
3. Gilbee
4. Wight - super important in that he took what Geelong (and most others) seemed to think was their great mis-match and completely shut him down (Ottens didn't even have one shot on goal), which must have contributed to their "shell-shock".

Apologies to McMahon and Morris who should be getting more plaudits I reckon for his job on Ablett jnr.

James:
1. Wight
2. Cooney

[Raw Toast]

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I'm still yet to see the match so I can't give votes

One thing I did spot scanning through the stats however

Nathan Eagleton, on top of his 20 touches and six marks, had a game high 7 tackles.

I'm pointing this out only because I thought he could've gone a bit harder in the NAB Cup game against the lions. Its obviously something Rocket spotted as well and drummed into him

Eagle's tackles were important, but I'll jump in before Sockeye to mention that one of our promising youngsters, Daniel Thomas Cross had a mere ten tackles for the game, along with the couple of possessions he picked up. [Edit, I see now that the Hun has Cross on 6 and Eagle on 7, whereas Pro-Stats have Cross on 10 & Eagle on 6, fairly big discrepency there. I'm sure Sockeye will tell me to trust Pro-Stats]

[westdog54]

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Eagle's tackles were important, but I'll jump in before Sockeye to mention that one of our promising youngsters, Daniel Thomas Cross had a mere ten tackles for the game, along with the couple of possessions he picked up. [Edit, I see now that the Hun has Cross on 6 and Eagle on 7, whereas Pro-Stats have Cross on 10 & Eagle on 6, fairly big discrepency there. I'm sure Sockeye will tell me to trust Pro-Stats]

I was working off the Hun's stats.

Makes you question the reliability of statistics, to think that either one or both of these seemingly professional organisations is incapable of keeping accurate stats on the game. Maybe a 1 or 2 tackle discrepency is forgivable but 4? Give me a break!

[alwaysadog]

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I was working off the Hun's stats.

Makes you question the reliability of statistics, to think that either one or both of these seemingly professional organisations is incapable of keeping accurate stats on the game. Maybe a 1 or 2 tackle discrepency is forgivable but 4? Give me a break!

Just confirms what I've long suspected; that the stats aren't all that accurate.

[Bulldog Revolution]

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Interesting to see the comment - "Cooney's added an inside midfielder quality to his game" - I feel that he has always been excellent inside? I predict that if Cooney stays a Dog, he will become the equal of BJ. I've said it for a few years now, and I'm getting confident my claims will come to fruition. He's such a quality player, good inside, outside, over head, kicking goals...the real package.

Thats a big call after Johnson highlight his class on the weekend.

But its not one I would necessarily doubt.

I certainly agree with the call on Cooneys inside game. Cooney is in some ways is a funny player, he is clearly very quick, a very good shot for goal either on the run or set shot, but doesn't appear the greatest field kick, or left foot kick, and I dont know if he is a brilliant handballer either - he has shown signs up forward that he could really develop his aerial ability but he isn't Johnson or Crossy yet.

IMO Cooneys great skill is his evasiveness in being able to win the ball in a pack and dance his way out of it - at times you do marvel at how he does it.

I was extremely impressed with his game, and thought he looked noticably physically fitter which is surprising given the osteitis - and a credit to the conditioning staff

[dog town]

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Coons is just a natural footballer IMO and that is his biggest strength. People talk about his pace and while its a strength I think you will find he doesn't test through the roof for pace. Probably has good pace but not great with his first 5 metres or so being pretty explosive.

Just leads to clever positions and gets himself in the right spots. He is certainly not an elite runner in terms of endurance which is where alot of his scope for improvement comes from. Despite the fact that he is not a big gut runner he still manages to get to the right spots often enough . Reads the ball very well off the pack and always gets his arms free early when he gets possesion which is a natural trait of someone with good inside skills.

Even his kicking skills sometimes have a bit of genius about them. He tends to float alot of kicks but gets alot of right to left swing on them and actually uses this when shooting for goal at times. Darren Jarman was good like that and Nathan Brown was a bit the same.

I think he is pretty good in the air but again I think it is his natural sort of footy awareness that helps him here. Wouldn't say he has a vice like grip when he marks and can get pushed out of contests but he reads the ball earlier than his opponent and angles his body cleverly which gets him alot of marks inside 50.

Just with regards to the tackle stats I think you will find that champion data (hun) records completed tackles or tackles that stop the opposition getting a possesion while prowess (age) record attempted tackles and then add a percentage next to it for completed tackles. In todays age you will see some tackle stats with Cross having 10 tackles at 60% completeion rate.

[kennel master]

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1. Jonno- superstar
2. Cross- works so hard
3. McMahon- love his run
4. Wight- impressive

1. Wight
2. Cooney

[Cyberdoggie]

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this one is tough, need several more spots


1. johnson
2. gilbee
3. crossy
4. eagleton


1. minson
2. wight


anyone who's heard me rant on about eagleton will appreciate that it's a big call for me to put him in the best. I'm not a big fan but i thought he played a magnificent game by his standards. Every blue moon eagle decides to go in hard and tackle, i don't know what triggered this on sunday but he was possesed by something. With endeavour like that i can forgive his poor right foot and consistent clangers, and appreciate the good things he does.

[Raw Toast]

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Just with regards to the tackle stats I think you will find that champion data (hun) records completed tackles or tackles that stop the opposition getting a possesion while prowess (age) record attempted tackles and then add a percentage next to it for completed tackles. In todays age you will see some tackle stats with Cross having 10 tackles at 60% completeion rate.

Thanks for clearing this up dt. Still a little strange then that Prowess gave Eagle one less tackle, and Power two less.

Good dicussion re Cooney. Is he a more natural player than Griffen? Griff crmbs v well, provides good run and presents well (and seems a natural leader), but it seemed to me that he wasn't in the right places as much as Cooney. I'm not sure about this, and he's still probably recovering from his thigh strain and building his fitness, but he did appear a bit uncertain where to position himself at times.

[dog town]

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Thanks for clearing this up dt. Still a little strange then that Prowess gave Eagle one less tackle, and Power two less.

Good dicussion re Cooney. Is he a more natural player than Griffen? Griff crmbs v well, provides good run and presents well (and seems a natural leader), but it seemed to me that he wasn't in the right places as much as Cooney. I'm not sure about this, and he's still probably recovering from his thigh strain and building his fitness, but he did appear a bit uncertain where to position himself at times.

Griffen probably doesn't read the play as well as Cooney but I would still say he is a natural footballer. He uses his strength over the ball and evasiveness to win it rather than positioning. They are pretty similar in alot of ways but I think that Cooney is more of a natural footballer particularly as a midfielder. Griffen will need a big fitness base to play midfield the way he plays but he has already shown signs of that. They both have that explosive quality to them when they come away from traffic and could be our version of Judd , Cousins and Kerr.

[Twodogs]

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I think the biggest difference in Cooney and Griffen is that from day one we have drilled a defensive ethic into Griff but Cooney is used as a pure attacking weapon. Griff's going to be playing on the opposition's Cooney, our Cooney is going to spend his time getting away from their version of Griffen.

[Mofra]

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I think the biggest difference in Cooney and Griffen is that from day one we have drilled a defensive ethic into Griff but Cooney is used as a pure attacking weapon. Griff's going to be playing on the opposition's Cooney, our Cooney is going to spend his time getting away from their version of Griffen.

Given two more pre-seasons... will any other team have their equivalents (Save for WCE)? Perhaps if Murphy & Gibbs live up to the hype...

[southerncross]

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Given two more pre-seasons... will any other team have their equivalents (Save for WCE)? Perhaps if Murphy & Gibbs live up to the hype...

Gibbs and Murphy seem a likely duo. The Hawks would hope that a combination of Ellis, Lewis and Muston might fix their midfield dilemma.

[Twodogs]

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Given two more pre-seasons... will any other team have their equivalents (Save for WCE)? Perhaps if Murphy & Gibbs live up to the hype...

I havent seen enough of Gibbs or Murphy to make an informed judgement but I reckon that Griff in particular could be a really special player. Watching him and Cooney ripping up opposition teams for the next decade is going to be fun.