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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    Elite Kicks

    We always bang on about a lack of talls (and rightly so) but one thing that concerns me when looking at our list is the number of players with concerns regarding their foot skills. Elite foot skills seems to be a key component of the Geelong and Hawthorn success stories.

    Who do you rate on our current list as an elite kick? Gilbee is obvious.... Akermanis one more year...
  • soupman
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Nov 2007
    • 5091

    #2
    Re: Elite Kicks

    Elite:
    Robert Murphy, Lindsay Gilbee, Jason Akermanis,

    Players who aren't elite, but have very good foot skills:
    Andrejs Everitt, Callan Ward, Ryan Griffen, Adam Cooney, Ryan Hargrave, Brian Lake
    I should leave it alone but you're not right

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    • LostDoggy
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8307

      #3
      Re: Elite Kicks

      Stack us up against Hawthorn and we fall well short then. I agree re Ward, Cooney and Griffen however I think their passing can be a little sloppy at times, we are also well short on reliable kickers of pressure goals. Also underlines why we need to hang onto Acker as long as we can.

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      • Bulldog Revolution
        Coaching Staff
        • Dec 2006
        • 3924

        #4
        Re: Elite Kicks

        I would have thought Hargrave was elite

        and Giansiracusa in terms of his vision and being able to set things up and hit people

        Elite: Gilbee, Akermanis, Hargrave, Murphy, Giansiracusa

        Not far off becoming elite: Griffen, Cooney, Higgins

        Could become elite: Everitt, Ward, OKeefe

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        • LostDoggy
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 8307

          #5
          Re: Elite Kicks

          OK then so who would we say are sub-par?

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 66095

            #6
            Re: Elite Kicks

            Originally posted by bulldogsimmo
            OK then so who would we say are sub-par?
            Tim Callan, Addison, Boyd, Cross,

            I think Eagleton is still in the elite class, although not as good as he was.

            Mitch Hahn can kick a mile but tends to hook,

            Hill and Harbrow potential to be elite.

            Lake when he kicks through to get distance is pretty good, but when he chips, can go anywhere.
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            • Mantis
              Hall of Fame
              • Apr 2007
              • 15320

              #7
              Re: Elite Kicks

              Originally posted by bornadog

              I think Eagleton is still in the elite class, although not as good as he was.
              Your definition of 'elite' compared to mine must be poles apart.

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              • LostDoggy
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 8307

                #8
                Re: Elite Kicks

                Eagleton's passing has always been suspect IMO his long range goal kicking was elite but appears to have dropped away

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #9
                  Re: Elite Kicks

                  Guess my concern comes primarily from what I've observed from our younger recruits, I am happy with the grunt coming through but we look a little devoid of class (higgins and ward being the exceptions). We seem to have a large number of sub-par kickers on the list, it dosn't fit well with possession style football.

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                  • Bulldog Revolution
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 3924

                    #10
                    Re: Elite Kicks

                    Originally posted by Mantis
                    Your definition of 'elite' compared to mine must be poles apart.
                    You'd be nothing without your whipping boy (eagle) Mantis

                    That said I re-watched the tape of Friday and Eagle did not kick or play well

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                    • Bulldog Revolution
                      Coaching Staff
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 3924

                      #11
                      Re: Elite Kicks

                      Originally posted by bornadog
                      Tim Callan, Addison, Boyd, Cross,

                      I think Eagleton is still in the elite class, although not as good as he was.

                      Mitch Hahn can kick a mile but tends to hook,

                      Hill and Harbrow potential to be elite.

                      Lake when he kicks through to get distance is pretty good, but when he chips, can go anywhere.
                      I hope that you are right about Hill and Harbrow bornadog

                      I wouldn't have thought Boyd was sub-par. Addison and Callan were very good on Friday and I'm hopeful they can move off the list.

                      I would add Minson and Morris in that list.

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                      • Bornadog
                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 66095

                        #12
                        Re: Elite Kicks

                        Originally posted by Mantis
                        Your definition of 'elite' compared to mine must be poles apart.

                        We are talking kicking.

                        He had one of the best kicking actions from long range that I have ever seen. He has dropped off a bit over the past few years.
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                        • Bornadog
                          WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 66095

                          #13
                          Re: Elite Kicks

                          Originally posted by Bulldog Revolution
                          I hope that you are right about Hill and Harbrow bornadog

                          I wouldn't have thought Boyd was sub-par. Addison and Callan were very good on Friday and I'm hopeful they can move off the list.

                          I would add Minson and Morris in that list.
                          Whick list would you put Minson and Morris? I think Minson is a pretty good kick for a big man.
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                          Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                          • Mantis
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 15320

                            #14
                            Re: Elite Kicks

                            Originally posted by bornadog
                            We are talking kicking.

                            He had one of the best kicking actions from long range that I have ever seen. He has dropped off a bit over the past few years.
                            I'm talking kicking too.

                            For me an elite kick is someone who is able to kick extremely well on their dominant side and reasonably well on their non-preferred.

                            Eagleton was a very good kick some time back, but isn't any more. His kicking in his last 2 games for our club (PF & 1st rd NAB) has been very poor to say the least.

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                            • Go_Dogs
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 10110

                              #15
                              Re: Elite Kicks

                              Originally posted by bulldogsimmo
                              Guess my concern comes primarily from what I've observed from our younger recruits, I am happy with the grunt coming through but we look a little devoid of class (higgins and ward being the exceptions). We seem to have a large number of sub-par kickers on the list, it dosn't fit well with possession style football.
                              O'Keefe is apparently a very good user of the ball. Wood didn't look too bad for mine on Friday either. I think Addison and Callan can also both make the grade, perhaps not elite, but pretty consistent.


                              I don't think we're as far away as you think.
                              Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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