Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

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  • Happy Days
    Hall of Fame
    • May 2008
    • 10115

    #46
    Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

    Originally posted by Scraggers
    Interesting article ... Interesting comments from the General Public as well

    Game still blokey
    Trevor Grant | February 24, 2009 12:00am





    NOT so long ago, footy had no idea what to do about women. The dilemma was perfectly encapsulated by Allan McAlister's gesture to place his hand over the eyes of a young female reporter who had somehow found her way into the Collingwood dressingroom after a game.

    The Collingwood president (from 1986-1995) no doubt thought he was being chivalrous, protecting her from the sight of all those naked male bodies cavorting in the showers.

    Really, though, he was reflecting the struggle a male-dominated sport was having in recognising that women had a part to play in the game.

    We now live in more enlightened times, where football embraces the intrinsic value of women.

    Deep-seated male fears about a female presence outside the grandstand appear to belong to the past.

    Not, though, if you assess reaction to the debut of Kelli Underwood as a Channel 10 commentator on Saturday.

    "Nervous", "didn't work", "plucky", "OK", were some of the comments written by (male) critics.

    Her (male) boss at Ten, David Barham, said that though she was promising, there was no plan to use her again this year.

    It could be summed up this way: nice try, girl, but, even though you can do the job, it's a blokes' world.

    So if you sit in the corner and be a good girl, you might get another shot one day.

    The example of Kate Fitzpatrick's failed stint on Channel 9's cricket coverage 25 years ago was trotted out to explain how tough it is for a female commentator - a ridiculous comparison.

    Fitzpatrick was a good-looking actor with an interest in cricket and cricketers. Underwood is an experienced football journalist who knows as much about the game as most of her male counterparts.

    Fitzpatrick was a dud because she was there for entertainment value.

    Underwood knows her stuff, and, as she showed, has the makings of a high-class caller who should be in the box for the 2009 season; which no doubt she would be, if she was a male.

    While her understandable nerves were forensically examined by critics, several qualities were overlooked.

    First, she bothered to identify the players with the ball, something you might think was an unwritten basic for a commentator.

    Not so these days, though, when you have so many callers hell-bent on doing the job of the "special comments" people alongside them.

    It was refreshing to listen to Underwood engage the "special comments" men by posing questions rather than trying to air her opinions - a sign of professionalism not always evident in a few of her male counterparts.

    If nothing else, Underwood's understated delivery provides a welcome point of difference. There's been an over-supply of testosterone for too long.

    Too many young men now compete for the title of Tarzan of the airwaves in the belief that loudest is best.

    Rex Hunt has a lot to answer for.

    One critic said Underwood clearly follows and understands the game.

    Did he expect her to be a soccer fanatic or Shakespeare devotee improvising on the night?

    Nothing like a good dose of the patronising male to kick off the footy season.
    Righto.

    Because if a man says that she isn't up to it as a caller, it has to be because shes a woman and we're all chauvanistic pigs. It couldnt possibly be that she just wasnt very good, not at all.

    What a load of crap.
    - I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -

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    • hujsh
      Hall of Fame
      • Nov 2007
      • 11854

      #47
      Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

      Originally posted by Happy Days
      Righto.

      Because if a man says that she isn't up to it as a caller, it has to be because shes a woman and we're all chauvanistic pigs. It couldnt possibly be that she just wasnt very good, not at all.

      What a load of crap.
      I got a similar impression.
      [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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      • ledge
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2007
        • 14203

        #48
        Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

        I dont care what sex they are, it was terrible.
        Bring back the biff

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        • The Pie Man
          Coaching Staff
          • May 2008
          • 3498

          #49
          Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

          Originally posted by hujsh
          Just because you find women don't work well as commentators doesn't make you sexist. Just a preference.
          Cheers for that

          After reading the Trevor Grant article, I noted that they have no intention of using her again this year. If nerves played any role in her performance that maybe slightly unfair.

          I will give her her due - she clearly knows football, and called it ok. I just prefer male callers. I'll also say this (and this is very genuine) Give me Christi Malthouse as a boundary rider over %&*$ Oleranshaw any freakin day (though in saying that I may open a can of worms as to how she got her foot in the door, but she's ok with me....Rick on the other hand.....)
          Float Along - Fill Your Lungs

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #50
            Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

            Thought i might bring back this thread from the Achives..

            Today in the Cats v Dees game, Kelli is the main Commentator.
            I really have nothing against her!
            If we have female goal umpires, and female physio's, why can't we have a female commentator?
            Sure, she doesnt have the 'X factor', but after a bit of practice and tips from fellow callers, she could become a very professional caller!

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            • AndrewP6
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2009
              • 8142

              #51
              Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

              Having a bit of a listen to Kelli today...no offence to her, or women in general, but it's not working for me... can't pinpoint it, she doesn't seem that bad... just don't really like listening to her. At least she doesn't seem to say odd things like Bruce "Delicious" McAvaney.
              [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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              • The Coon Dog
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2007
                • 7578

                #52
                Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

                I reckon she was pretty good today. After the initial realisation, she blended in well.
                [COLOR="Red"][B][U][COLOR="Blue"]85, 92, 97, 98, 08, 09, 10... Break the curse![/COLOR][/U][/B][/COLOR]

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                • LostDoggy
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8307

                  #53
                  Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

                  She's hot, what else matters???

                  lol

                  Anything she says will be much more credible than a man calling another man delicious.

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                  • wb_age

                    #54
                    Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

                    I thought the commentating was on delay.

                    Eg. Geelong are clearing the ball out of defence and she was still rambling on about the demons bombing it in long.

                    It's a no from me and also a no from my "female" friend who was watching with me.

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                    • wb_age

                      #55
                      Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

                      Originally posted by marcov
                      She's hot, what else matters???

                      lol

                      Anything she says will be much more credible than a man calling another man delicious.
                      I guess you can't fail when you set such low standards.

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        #56
                        Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

                        Originally posted by wb_age
                        I thought the commentating was on delay.

                        Eg. Geelong are clearing the ball out of defence and she was still rambling on about the demons bombing it in long.

                        It's a no from me and also a no from my "female" friend who was watching with me.
                        I beg to differ..
                        She seems to be more of a traditionl caller, one who says all the names and forgets about special comments.
                        But i reckon she picked up the pace of the game quite well really.

                        She reminds me of sam lane on the panel for before the game.
                        Not a comedian, but she is there because she knows the game.

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                        • LostDoggy
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 8307

                          #57
                          Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

                          I just think her voice is annoying..Much like I dont like listening to Dwayne Russell..just irritate me.

                          Her tone never seems to change either, so for me it still feels awkward.

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                          • The Adelaide Connection
                            Coaching Staff
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 2755

                            #58
                            Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

                            I think that her commentary in general was pretty good. She accurately described play as it happened and used the same sorts of phrases as is the norm. She was a little repetitive at times, but that could be put down to nerves and at least it wasn't as bad as when Brayshaw used to spout out "Dukes" and "Prune" so often and quickly that I actually thought he was a "Dukes" and "Prune" novelty machine gun.

                            As mentioned her commetary was old school style, she didn't bring a lot of insight into what was happening off the ball or certain incidents/matchups etc that were influencing play etc like some of the better commentators do. This may come with experience/confidence and at the end of the day she was not special comments so as long as she can call play with the ball she is doing her job.

                            My big criticism (and one I don't think can be easily rectified) is to do with the tone/pitch of her voice. I am 180cm and no amount of hard work or natural ability is going to allow me to play as a ruckmen and I feel the same about her voice and commentary. My girlfriend was also sitting beside me and, without even mentioning it, she told me she thought her voice was "not right and quite irritating".

                            I commend channel 10 for their innovation and risk taking and am all for women in football. Boundary riders and panelists certainly do work. Given the right female voice I think it could work in commentary also. The right voice is critical for tv/radio. But for now it is a "NO" from me.

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                            • The Adelaide Connection
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 2755

                              #59
                              Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

                              Oh and did I hear correctly that they gave her the "commentator of the round award" on Before the Game?

                              Since when has this award been around and why would they give it when only 3 games of footy have been played so far this weekend? Lame.

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                              • LostDoggy
                                WOOF Member
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 8307

                                #60
                                Re: Kelli Underwood as a footballer caller?

                                I don't like her voice for commentating.

                                They need more people like Michael Christian, his commentating voice is awesome!

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