Tap Work vs Mobility vs 2nd Efforts?

[Dry Rot]

Re: Tap Work vs Mobility vs 2nd Efforts?

Jolly is very useful for the Swans up forward.

[Mofra]

Re: Tap Work vs Mobility vs 2nd Efforts?

Jolly is very useful for the Swans up forward.

I wonder how much importance Grant Thomas places on Ruckmen now if he watched tonight's game?
Ruck dominance killed the Hawks. The era of the big man is nigh. Thank god we have a couple of good potential rucks on the list

[SonofScray]

Re: Tap Work vs Mobility vs 2nd Efforts?

It varies from week to week depending on who you are playing.

Basically there's 3 types of ruckmen.

* The giraffe - Harry Madden, Aaron Sandilands. Win every tap due to their height but do varying levels of everything else; Peter Street did nothing else, Dean Cox does plenty.

* The power ruckman - Jamie Charman, Ben Hudson. Use their strength. The centre line was supposed to be the end for them but they keep on keeping on. They can still be dangerous at boundary throw-ins and around the ground bounces but have to do the heavy work around the clearances to justify their spot.

* The athletes - Jeff White, Luke Darcy. Sacrifice thr ruck contests to have another midfielder.


When we had Scott Wynd and Luke Darcy in tandem, Wallace varied their roles depending on who we played. I remember two games in 97 v North and Hawthorn.

Against North, Corey McKernan was their main man. Darcy rucked for nearly all the first half on McKernan and ran him all over the shop. After half time Scotty came on and beat him up. McKernan was too tired to run Scotty around and Scotty pushed him out of the way at contests.

Against Hawthorn, Scotty rucked nearly the whole first half on Paul Salmon (Hawthorn used Nick Holland as their backup that day). After half time Darcy came on and jumped over the top of Salmon and then ran circles around him all over the ground. The scores were about level at 3/4 time and we won easy.


Hudson and Minson are both power ruckmen. I'd rather one of them be of a different style like Darcy and Wynd were.

Very good post.

I'm not sure where Minson fits in really, he is a "power" ruckman you've identified but I don't see the desperation in the clinches from him that you do in the players like Charman and Hudson. At this point in his career he is trying to be a bit of everything, and something else at the same time. Almost a lead up forward and a ruckman. Hopefully with Ayce coming on and further development he can really settle into a niche which suits him and find that real menance in close like Hudson.

[ledge]

Re: Tap Work vs Mobility vs 2nd Efforts?

I like the thought of the Gary Dempsey type , could mark and ruck, Pity Dempsey had to do all his marking in the back half.
The near on perfect ruck was a Peter Moore could kick goals , ruck and extremely mobile, not many of those around nowadays.
Barnes wasnt too bad.
I think we are looking at Cordy as being one of those and Roughead being more the tap ruck, if this is the case in the future and with Grant up forward , thats a pretty awesome thought.

[Mofra]

Re: Tap Work vs Mobility vs 2nd Efforts?

I think we are looking at Cordy as being one of those and Roughead being more the tap ruck, if this is the case in the future and with Grant up forward , thats a pretty awesome thought.

It will be interesting to see how they develop - Roughead could well end up the no 1 with Cordy forward (let "Neil" bash & crash with his larger frame to soften the opposition up), then Cordy comes on for 30% or so of ruck duties whilst Roughy rests.

The odd piece in the puzzle is Minson - in 1-2 years time Roughead should be pushing for regular selection with Hudson slowing down, and would expect to be a regular once Hudson retires. Cordy would have hopefully added some size by then (10% of his body weight added already) so we will have Minson in his late 20s (prime ruckman years) contending with two younger types who look the goods.

Assuming a Shaw or Mulligan or anyone else we rookie/draft don't fire, and you never know with a new drafting manager what we'll target. North have 3 solid ruckman + Petrie who can ruck as well.