In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

**comrade** · 06-04-2009, 09:09 PM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by mighty_west

In - Welsh, Grant
Out - Harbrow, Ward / Cooney if not fit

Far too many times we went forward to no structure, Welsh is a no brainer, and with Murph still out, it's a good time to debut young Grant.

From listening to Rocket on the couch, Grant won't get a look in for a while. Physically not ready.

**Rocco Jones** · 06-04-2009, 10:25 PM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by comrade

From listening to Rocket on the couch, Grant won't get a look in for a while. Physically not ready.

Yep. With his current physique he would have to play as a flanker/lead up target and I don't think his ability to dispose of the ball is up to standard.

**LostDoggy** · 06-04-2009, 10:31 PM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

I understand if Eade says it, but if the reasoning is lack of leg speed then I doubt he'll get a game all year which goes against the expected say 5 games from him.
Its only Richmond we are playing and we need to debut at some stage.

**Bornadog** · 06-04-2009, 10:50 PM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by ErnieSigley

I understand if Eade says it, but if the reasoning is lack of leg speed then I doubt he'll get a game all year which goes against the expected say 5 games from him.
Its only Richmond we are playing and we need to debut at some stage.

Exactly and they don't have a backline, no real KPP down there.

**mjp** · 06-04-2009, 11:07 PM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Clearly I am biased, but I dont understand the calls for Ward to be omitted. He was in the centre square in the last quarter with the game on the line and got his hands on it...if it is all about the incident when he played on from half-back in the 3rd quarter, then the world has gone mad. He tried to play on and move the ball quickly, it didn't work, big deal.

I just dont understand.

**Sockeye Salmon** · 07-04-2009, 12:42 AM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by mjp

Clearly I am biased, but I dont understand the calls for Ward to be omitted. He was in the centre square in the last quarter with the game on the line and got his hands on it...if it is all about the incident when he played on from half-back in the 3rd quarter, then the world has gone mad. He tried to play on and move the ball quickly, it didn't work, big deal.

I just dont understand.

The clown next to me (not Ernie, I meant the other side of me) went beserk at this.

He was continually screaming out "slow down, take your time!". If he had it his way we would have never scored!

**The Underdog** · 07-04-2009, 07:28 AM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by ErnieSigley

Well I don't see a match up worthy for Picken. Its harsh but so were this weeks ommisions.Welsh for Cooney - he isn't right.

A match up worthy of him? He's not Cameron Ling yet.
I understand what you mean though. There isn't real natural matchup for him. The players worth tagging for the Tiges are Deledio who I think would be too quick off the mark and too good overhead for Picken or Brown who I think would be too smart down forward.

So I'd say Welsh for Picken and maybe one of Tiller or Everitt for Harbrow depending on match ups.

**LostDoggy** · 07-04-2009, 07:31 AM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon

The clown next to me (not Ernie, I meant the other side of me) went beserk at this.

I wonder why I spilt coffee on you?

**Ozza** · 07-04-2009, 09:42 AM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by Sockeye Salmon

The clown next to me (not Ernie, I meant the other side of me) went beserk at this.

He was continually screaming out "slow down, take your time!". If he had it his way we would have never scored!

You're spot on. People have got to realise that that is how we play. We play on, we get it moving, and its not only great to watch, but its suits us and is a major reason why we score so heavily. And if all the players are on the same page with playing on most of the time - it means they can run to the right spots with confidence.

I am liking the amount of time Ward is being given in the middle so far this year. I thought he was good on Sunday - really won some tough ball. Much prefer to have him in the side than eagleton at this stage - if we are to lose a smaller player for Welsh's inclusion.

I absolutely do not agree that Skipper should come in. Someone with Skipper's track record should have to absolutely knock the door down to be selected in the seniors.

**Bornadog** · 07-04-2009, 09:46 AM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by mjp

Clearly I am biased, but I dont understand the calls for Ward to be omitted. He was in the centre square in the last quarter with the game on the line and got his hands on it...if it is all about the incident when he played on from half-back in the 3rd quarter, then the world has gone mad. He tried to play on and move the ball quickly, it didn't work, big deal.

I just dont understand.

Absolutely agree, see my comments in the Ward thread. Yes the kid got caught a few times, but boy he has guts and great disposal skills and lots of enthusiasm.

**mighty_west** · 07-04-2009, 11:01 AM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by Mantis

Yet the week before we kicked 25 goals with pretty much the same structure.

We played Freo, they are an absolute rabble!

**mighty_west** · 07-04-2009, 11:05 AM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by comrade

From listening to Rocket on the couch, Grant won't get a look in for a while. Physically not ready.

I thought he was saying that after Hird asked a question re: key forwards and when they would be physically ready as a full time thing, rather than actually giving those types a few games for development here & there this season.

Plus don't always believe everything Rocket says, he is the king of ducks & drakes!

**Sockeye Salmon** · 07-04-2009, 12:36 PM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by Ozza

You're spot on. People have got to realise that that is how we play. We play on, we get it moving, and its not only great to watch, but its suits us and is a major reason why we score so heavily. And if all the players are on the same page with playing on most of the time - it means they can run to the right spots with confidence.

I am liking the amount of time Ward is being given in the middle so far this year. I thought he was good on Sunday - really won some tough ball. Much prefer to have him in the side than eagleton at this stage - if we are to lose a smaller player for Welsh's inclusion.

I absolutely do not agree that Skipper should come in. Someone with Skipper's track record should have to absolutely knock the door down to be selected in the seniors.

Chipping it around, keeping possession and working your way forward is fine until you get to about 80 metres out and you're confronted with 18 opposition jumpers and nowhere to go.

**Rocket Science** · 07-04-2009, 01:26 PM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Regarding Picken's status for next weekend; if retained, could he be used on Foley who generates more run than anyone else for those mugs? Early days obviously and one game doesn't maketh the senior stalwart, but if Picken can do regular jobs for us like the one he did on Harvey it'll be nice not to have to sacrifice one of our ball-winning mids for those gigs.

I like Welsh as an 'IN'...he looks ready to roll and I think his class will trouble them...but short of Picken's omission, who gets the chop?

They also generate most of their drive from half back, so you'd argue we ideally need a forward or two who'll chase and harass, and I'm looking in Harbrow's direction.

Cooney could be rested which would open up a spot...but the only other vaguely prospective 'out' could be Ward, but I suspect that's unlikely.

**mighty_west** · 07-04-2009, 01:43 PM

Re: In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

Originally posted by Rocket Science

Regarding Picken's status for next weekend; if retained, could he be used on Foley who generates more run than anyone else for those mugs? Early days obviously and one game doesn't maketh the senior stalwart, but if Picken can do regular jobs for us like the one he did on Harvey it'll be nice not to have to sacrifice one of our ball-winning mids for those gigs.

I like Welsh as an 'IN'...he looks ready to roll and I think his class will trouble them...but short of Picken's omission, who gets the chop?

They also generate most of their drive from half back, so you'd argue we ideally need a forward or two who'll chase and harass, and I'm looking in Harbrow's direction.

Cooney could be rested which would open up a spot...but the only other vaguely prospective 'out' could be Ward, but I suspect that's unlikely.

In reality, any player dropped is extremely unlucky, but, Welsh is in good form and gives us that extra target up forward, fortunatly and TOUCH WOOD, we haven't had too many injury concerns apart from Murphy, and our depth is really starting to show out, which is great for a clubs perspective, but will most likely get a few noses out of join, especially if players are being dropped after playing well in the seniors.

In's and Out's: Rd 3: Richmond

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