The Official I Hate The Umpies Forum!

[mighty_west]

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I actually feel sorry for the umps, all the rule changes must make life that much more difficult, i mean i was watching the Sunday Footy Show, they had Goldie trying to show what a legal push was and an illegal push, had me stumped, had the panel stumped!!!

Funny but watching the game at home yesterday and not at the game, and the umpiring didn't seem all that bad to be honest, except for the Cross handball that was deemed a throw, that was a shocker, but all in all, didn't seem that bad, where's had i been at the game, i would have been cursing the men in Green all the way home.

[LostDoggy]

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Don't want to sound to smarty-pants but i have been an umpires coach for junior kids, trying to console them that someone needed to do the job, that they could, and rude and abusive parents rants were not really aimed at them.

Firstly, they are not respected enough, say like they are in soccer - Perhaps you could mount an argument to say you need to earn respect. I say no, but like Jeff i say take the numbers and mic's pff them and let them do their own thing. I umpired a prettty decent seniors level and the banter between myself and players would not be fit for print. Some players needed a quick "after you touch the ball a couple of times, you can ask me a question" (paraphrasing for kids).

Secondly, if you are on the accredited list of umpires i believe you are on a retainer for the year. Then praccy games, NAB bcup games and 22 senior games, bonuses, then you do finals and the GF. That scenario of being a top line umpire is over $100,000 per annum. Got to be the best paying PT job ever. Many are lawyers, accountants and other types of professionals with day jobs. I don't think denying them their careeer for 5 hours of watching highlight reels is anygood.

I for one have been annoyed at times with them this year, but all this does is deflect from the fact that our best 22 is underperforming and no amount of umpire different decisions could have changed that. In fact overall, they have been pretty good. Consistent with HTB and not over-officious o the rushed behind rule. I prefer to ignore them, but i understand we all need to vent our umpire rage somtimes.

Except that we had just kicked two goals and were heading in to kick a third with a bit of momentum and that destroyed the momentum.

[mighty_west]

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Yes, it's amazing how different it can look from 10 metres away rather than 100.

Absolutely, i hate it when people say, oh you wearn't at the game, you didn't see the big picture etc etc, i goto most games, missed yesterday, but i actually see more on TV than at the ground itself, especially for umpiring decisions.

[soupman]

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Absolutely, i hate it when people say, oh you wearn't at the game, you didn't see the big picture etc etc, i goto most games, missed yesterday, but i actually see more on TV than at the ground itself, especially for umpiring decisions.

I agree with this. We tend to tape the games, and watch them when we get home if we won, and they're also a good time killer in the off-season.

The perfect example was the round 3 St.Kilda game last year. I remember being at the game and the entire first quarter we were just yelling at the umpires for pulling seemingly random free kicks out of their arse, all in St.Kilda's favour.

When we re-watched that quarter on TV, it was actually quite impressive how spot on the umpires were. Everything they paid was correct, and a lot of it wasn't obvious, but still a legitimate free.

They have a tough job, and most of the time I think they do well. It does however frustrate me when they guess or make assumptions. For instance, that free paid against Cross was paid by the umpire who was behind Cross, and thus couldn't see his hands properly. I'm tipping from his angle he didn't see a throw, but didn't see an obvious handball and chose to assume it was a throw. That was poor umpiring.

[Rocket Science]

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I agree with this. We tend to tape the games, and watch them when we get home if we won, and they're also a good time killer in the off-season.

The perfect example was the round 3 St.Kilda game last year. I remember being at the game and the entire first quarter we were just yelling at the umpires for pulling seemingly random free kicks out of their arse, all in St.Kilda's favour.

When we re-watched that quarter on TV, it was actually quite impressive how spot on the umpires were. Everything they paid was correct, and a lot of it wasn't obvious, but still a legitimate free.

They have a tough job, and most of the time I think they do well. It does however frustrate me when they guess or make assumptions. For instance, that free paid against Cross was paid by the umpire who was behind Cross, and thus couldn't see his hands properly. I'm tipping from his angle he didn't see a throw, but didn't see an obvous handball and chose to assume it was a throw. That was a joke.

Precisely. How often do you hear them respond to a player who queries a non-decision with "I can't pay it if I didn't see it".

Btw, am in no way suggesting the umpires had any bearing on yesterday's result.

[AndrewP6]

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Don't want to sound to smarty-pants but i have been an umpires coach for junior kids, trying to console them that someone needed to do the job, that they could, and rude and abusive parents rants were not really aimed at them.

Firstly, they are not respected enough, say like they are in soccer - Perhaps you could mount an argument to say you need to earn respect. I say no, but like Jeff i say take the numbers and mic's pff them and let them do their own thing. I umpired a prettty decent seniors level and the banter between myself and players would not be fit for print. Some players needed a quick "after you touch the ball a couple of times, you can ask me a question" (paraphrasing for kids).

Secondly, if you are on the accredited list of umpires i believe you are on a retainer for the year. Then praccy games, NAB bcup games and 22 senior games, bonuses, then you do finals and the GF. That scenario of being a top line umpire is over $100,000 per annum. Got to be the best paying PT job ever. Many are lawyers, accountants and other types of professionals with day jobs. I don't think denying them their careeer for 5 hours of watching highlight reels is anygood.

I for one have been annoyed at times with them this year, but all this does is deflect from the fact that our best 22 is underperforming and no amount of umpire different decisions could have changed that. In fact overall, they have been pretty good. Consistent with HTB and not over-officious o the rushed behind rule. I prefer to ignore them, but i understand we all need to vent our umpire rage somtimes.

Interesting post...my thoughts -

Umpires should be respected, yes... they also need to apply the same standards they ask for to the players. Too many times have I heard their comments and "banter" as you call it. Yet if a player dares try to do the same thing, they get pinged. They're self-important and overly precious. Don't want to harp on it, as I've mentioned it numerous times in other posts, but calling a player by his nickname when the very same player is not allowed to breathe on the ump is absurd. Do they want to be buddies, or not? Like their interpretation of the rules - far too inconsistent. No wonder players don't know what to do. I'm not saying it should be open season - just that they should be brought down off the pedestal. There's a difference between abusing/threatening an umpire, and simply airing an opinion of their performance - or putting a hand on their arm... Speaking as a teacher, I'd never permit my students to abuse/threaten an umpire, but if they had concerns, talk to me, and I'll approach them. No harm in that. Do that in the big league, and you get slapped with a fine...

Your information regarding their salary amazes me. This only serves to back up my claim that they should be much better at the jobs they do. $100,000 PLUS a day job? If they're going to get all precious about being looked after, and no one criticising them, send them to extra umpire classes! I do think they are at best average, and they can and sometimes do directly influence games. Something simple like all the holding that goes on with midfielders, or the "Chris Judd Exception" with holding-the-ball. It's as clear as day -even with the myriad of things they do.

No, they're not the reason we're 3-3... but they aren't worthy of praise either (or a recognition round)

[bulldogtragic]

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Interesting post...my thoughts -

Umpires should be respected, yes... they also need to apply the same standards they ask for to the players. Too many times have I heard their comments and "banter" as you call it. Yet if a player dares try to do the same thing, they get pinged. They're self-important and overly precious. Don't want to harp on it, as I've mentioned it numerous times in other posts, but calling a player by his nickname when the very same player is not allowed to breathe on the ump is absurd. Do they want to be buddies, or not? Like their interpretation of the rules - far too inconsistent. No wonder players don't know what to do. I'm not saying it should be open season - just that they should be brought down off the pedestal. There's a difference between abusing/threatening an umpire, and simply airing an opinion of their performance - or putting a hand on their arm... Speaking as a teacher, I'd never permit my students to abuse/threaten an umpire, but if they had concerns, talk to me, and I'll approach them. No harm in that. Do that in the big league, and you get slapped with a fine...

Your information regarding their salary amazes me. This only serves to back up my claim that they should be much better at the jobs they do. $100,000 PLUS a day job? If they're going to get all precious about being looked after, and no one criticising them, send them to extra umpire classes! I do think they are at best average, and they can and sometimes do directly influence games. Something simple like all the holding that goes on with midfielders, or the "Chris Judd Exception" with holding-the-ball. It's as clear as day -even with the myriad of things they do.

No, they're not the reason we're 3-3... but they aren't worthy of praise either (or a recognition round)

Some interesting points - see Aker's response.

For me the numbers on their backs, pics in the record and mic'ing them is bad.

If the AFL wants less umpire scrutiny, then I would think less focus. I recall an umpiring conference at Ballarat I attended and one of the very good AFL umpires was talking and then asked for questions.

Mine was, "Channel 9 have just got the TV rights. We have seen with cricket the sctutiny on umpires and the introduction of technology and snicko and the third umpire and the like. Do you see the scrutiny of umpiring rising with the technology channel 9 have (Channel 7 obviously didnt have it at the time). Because I think the scrutiny will rise and then technology may be forced upon us.

The response generally went along the lines of probably not, nothing to worry about.

Take ODD cricket on TV or the VFL on television. If a questionable decision is made, 10 seconds is focused on it becuase there isn't enough technology or other interest to keep highlighting potential errors. I like that. I can't stand AFL coverage where they spend 10 minutes going over a potential free kick from 10 angles and then the ump's explanantion. Same with cricket, and hasn't the referral system been great for that sport.

The human side of our game is what makes it great, and if you are smart you can get around umpires. I recall a over 40's game (super-fools) a few years ago and i was standing on the side lines and saw a massive throw. The wiley older player knew where the umpire was position, so in the course of the tackle threw it over the line at an angle the umpire could not see it. The tackler said some words GVGjr wont let me post, and the respose from the wiley old guy was "mate, he has got to see it, to pay it".

With all the angles on the ground you can;t see everything, and that's life. Three is enough umpires, it's just a continual proces of gettting conisitent decisions across the group of umpires and i agree the cardinal sin is paying frees when you're not sure. I did it a few times, and (with blowing the whistle too early for a mark which is dropped) is the only time i apologised. But lets face it, for those that watched the South Africa Series juts gone, technology ruined the game and made statistically no difference.

The micing in particular annoys me, umpires need to have conversations with players Peter Carey style and cannot anymore. It's time for us umpires to fall into the background, but also for broadcasters to take away the constant technology over every decision. And for all junior footy parents to start take a zero tolerance approach to umpire abuse and ugly parent syndrome.

But in reality, thne broadcasters love it, the AFL/umpires get sponsorship dollars and thats what the game is now TV and money. Talking common sense and footy as it should be is now a matter for the lower leagues. I will always be a dogs member, and attend where possible, but the love ain't quite there for the AFL (note AFL) like it used to be.

And most importnatly, i hate that Chris Judd can never be pinged for holding the ball. That does shit me.

[bulldogtragic]

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What is/was good about some local footy clubs.

The President would come in after the match with a $50 drink card, and say please come up and have a drink with the boys, of both clubs.

That used to be great. In a good environment with sensible people, you could have a beer and argue points of a rule and what occured. And if i ever stuffed up, i would say so. CULTURE. And in Frankston enevitably you would run into someone from the team at the nightclubs and i used to be brought free drinks as i was liked as an umpire. Then they'd put it on me for the 3,2,1 for the day, and well there's no such thing as a free drink.

I would love to know Aker what happens at the higher levels with trying to establish respect and rapore with players and what you think needs to be done, if anything?

[AndrewP6]

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What is the difference between an umpire calling a player Juddy and a player calling an umpire Goldy.

I haven't heard players do that on the field. They're probably too scared

Please give me one example of an umpire swearing at a player in the current environment.

I didn't say swearing, I said "banter"..

If you are referring to Heath Shaw, he went out of his way to dispute the decision and slightly knocked the umpire off his line. - He got suspended.
"slightly" being the key word - did he actually move him. I seem to recall a simple hand on the arm?

The top 3 umpires would earn $100,000, the average would earn $60,000 and the bottom range would earn $40,000.
Sixty grand is the average... which, I assume would be most of them... as much as I earn per year as a teacher. And people aren't shy in criticising us publicly!

As for the recognition round, it was to recognise umpires in local footy.

No problem with that... maybe bring some up from the local leagues to work at the big show!